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Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by worstspotgain »

lupire wrote: post #41
worstspotgain wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that LLMs will boost spam and scams more than LLMs will tone them down by marginalizing them automatically. I have the opposite view. SMTP spam used to be mostly unavoidable, then one day it was not. IMO, the number of engineers and moderators needed to offset one scammer is about to take a huge dive.

What information led to your opinion?

I think LLMs have higher complexity in the white-/black-hat "struggle domain" than the weakest-link problem, maybe O(N^2) vs. O(NlogN).

So if it used to be O(N) white against O(NlogN) black, it's now evenly matched, with O(N^2) LLMs on both sides.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by adolph »

ggm wrote: post #4

Buries the lede. WHY would you make so many talanted instances of Jodie? Whats the upside. How do the financials work and is it a stake, or paid labour?

> WHY would you make so many talanted instances of Jodie?

Because Jodie is everywhere and got your girl back home

https://taskandpurpose.com/military-life/brief-history-jody-...

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by hamasho »

I often google Reddit posts to find products or services. Posts with a lot of comments usually have better solutions. I also check out YouTube reviews, especially ones with few dislikes, using addons like "Return YouTube Dislike." These methods are easy and pretty reliable.

But it means the platform will soon be flooded with bot-generated spam.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by keyboardJones »

hamasho wrote: post #53

I often google Reddit posts to find products or services. Posts with a lot of comments usually have better solutions. I also check out YouTube reviews, especially ones with few dislikes, using addons like "Return YouTube Dislike." These methods are easy and pretty reliable. But it means the platform will soon be flooded with bot-generated spam.

Once I heard of ReplyGuy, I knew it was the beginning of the end for forums like Reddit

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by notpachet »

the_sleaze_ wrote: post #49
flir wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ye of little faith. Some day we'll project that Coca-Cola logo on to the moon.

someday we'll sell the edges of our peripheral vision for ad space in lieu of a universal basic income

Aren't we already doing that?

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by janalsncm »

roughly wrote: post #14

The reason all of this exists - the reason the entire Internet turned into an unusable amalgam of horseshit - is because we built the entire commercial side of the internet off ad revenue. It might be a death spiral at this point - I can’t imagine anyone actually being willing to Pay for whatever the fuck Google or Facebook have become, so there’s nothing left to do but keep inventing new ways to generate bullshit an…

Whatever model of the internet you have isn’t going to disrupt affiliate links. And as long as you have affiliate links, you will have websites trying to game the rankings to get their affiliate links in front of eyeballs. It’s not just a Google problem.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by goatlover »

mvkel wrote: post #31
frabjoused wrote: post #30

Has anyone built a search engine that uses LLMs to pre-grade every page with metrics such as: - Commercial bias (content compared to the source, which it learns about) - Insincere motives - Bloat (how many words it takes to say how little to penalize SEO bloat) I would assume that using LLMs, we can get a pretty good idea of what is SEO bloat and who the bad actors are by this point, and just penalize those results.

We don't need to. We have LLMs now

Which LLMs stay current and link their sources? If I have to wait on the LLM to search for me, I'd rather just do the search myself. What if I want to search for something the LLM can't show me? Or something I want to watch or interact with that isn't an LLM?

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by germinator »

keyboardJones wrote: post #54
hamasho wrote: post #53

I often google Reddit posts to find products or services. Posts with a lot of comments usually have better solutions. I also check out YouTube reviews, especially ones with few dislikes, using addons like "Return YouTube Dislike." These methods are easy and pretty reliable. But it means the platform will soon be flooded with bot-generated spam.

Once I heard of ReplyGuy, I knew it was the beginning of the end for forums like Reddit

It's actually one of the perks of centralized platforms like Reddit: if they want to, they have the technology and the resources to investigate bad actors like that. I don't just mean just finding and blocking their IPs, but untangling their ownership, corporate structure, tooling, and so on. Hiring actual PIs if necessary. It's the bread-and-butter for many spam and abuse teams at Big Tech.

That said, just because they can doesn't mean they will. It's possible that they've grown complacent and underfunded these capabilities (instead relying on community moderators to weed out bad actors). Or it's possible that they're too focused on the short term to see the existential risks. If I recall correctly, they couldn't resist the temptation of selling user content for LLM training, same as Stack Overflow.

But in an internet overrun by spam LLMs, the future are curated, walled-garden communities, and Reddit could be the basis for that.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by TacticalCoder »

the_sleaze_ wrote: post #49
flir wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ye of little faith. Some day we'll project that Coca-Cola logo on to the moon.

someday we'll sell the edges of our peripheral vision for ad space in lieu of a universal basic income

> someday we'll sell the edges of our peripheral vision for ad space in lieu of a universal basic income

Meta and RayBan are working on that and not far: the RayBans "Meta take a picture" / "Meta take a movie" are a thing. And I doubt very much that it's done with good motives.

No HUD yet but they've already got a microphone to analyze your voice (for good reasons, we're sure) and speakers.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by frabjoused »

komali2 wrote: post #39
frabjoused wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still would like to search and not get the dog crap that is Google's Internet, in addition to using LLMs myself.

Non LLM efforts include alternative and even self hosted search engine indexes. I'm also curious if brave search's concept of "goggles" could work out, where you can write your own indexing logic and share it with others.

We don't need self-hosted alternatives (just like the computer market doesn't need Linux tinkerers) as much as we need a real formidable competitor to dethrone Google and create proper website incentives so the Internet stops sucking.

We need SEO companies to realize they will go out of business if they continue to generate crap filler content for their clients.

We know Google won't do it. We need influence. We need effective results.

Self-hosted is cute but ineffective at best, selfish at worst.

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