All the more reason to have a union.
No.
Apple, SpaceX, Microsoft return-to-office mandates drove senior talent away
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Re: Apple, SpaceX, Microsoft return-to-office mandates drove senior talent away
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Presumably they have to be physically present within a few miles of downtown LA daily
Do you presume that because you don’t know anything about LA? Downtown LA is a specific place, and SpaceX is not located there.
Yep I am ignorant. How is my misuse of “downtown” germane to my original point?
Re: Apple, SpaceX, Microsoft return-to-office mandates drove senior talent away
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> There aren’t that many opportunities for people these days, especially at the senior level where titles and compensation is still inflated due to 2020-2022 grants. You are joking, right? Apple, SpaceX and Microsoft are not the only game in town.
What big companies that have equal or better branding are have fully remote jobs for seniors contributors? I am sure you can name a couple, but I am skeptical that there are that many comparable roles available within those companies at this time.
Personally, I don't care about branding at all but for the money and atmosphere. From career PoV, it's also important that the company, or its tech department if it's not pure tech, is very large. This has several benefits: I deal with technologies at scale, I can migrate to other big company, I can also migrate internally if I wish. And, since there are many folks around, there is usually no high pressure on working 110% like in (some) startups. There are many companies like these and the pay for seniors is excellent.
Re: Apple, SpaceX, Microsoft return-to-office mandates drove senior talent away
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> It provides real, non-negligible value to sit in the same room as your coworkers Please cite a reputable source for this unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable claim. eg: to me it provides a negative value (commute, noise, lack of my cat). To my employer it also provides negative value: my lower productivity, my much higher chance to GTFO to a more sane workplace. I can and do communicate with my coworkers over slac…
My counter to this - why do people pay to go to a concert when they can just watch a video? Do you not pay to fly to places that you could see in pictures? Do people not find some sort of value in this? And would you need to find a "reputable" source to prove it? Clearly there are some amount of intangibles that the corporations care about, otherwise why would they bother with RTO at all instead of just firing everyo…
My counter to you. When you hear a few songs by the performer and like them, do you not want to go to the concert to hear them live for once? Or do you start tracking their every performance and go to every concert they ever perform at? When you see a picture of a place you like, do you only go to that particular place and nowhere else from that point on, or possibly you want to explore more? Although your analogy is absolutely flawed in that it compares leisure with work, by following up with it, I guess everybody should be fine meeting their colleagues for a drink a couple times a year rather than going to see them every day whether you like them or not.
Re: Apple, SpaceX, Microsoft return-to-office mandates drove senior talent away
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No.
Yes
I don't know about you, but I've been working in three workplaces where union had the power - no more. From my experience, the union staff consists of people that work in their own interest and who don't really have any interest at all to do work related tasks.
They may have a role in factories, but not in the tech areas where us, users of Hacker News, belong.