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Re: Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Link to the preprint: https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/qnk2u One other reference I've seen from a Tristan Harris interview is that mindfulness teaching effects (presumably for younger kids) can get negated by social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3034&v=3CdxIATnH_w&feature=y...

I'm not saying he's wrong, but that is a rather convenient position for him to take.

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My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

We have the data to show that mindfulness works, however I think we underestimate the pull or grasp that social media has. It’s hard to implement mindfulness when everything is vying for your attention.

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My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

Also my strategy includes fucking with or cutting ties with "mindlessly ambitious" people. Just raise their cost of existing and drawing others into their vortex. In today's environment, technical, design and financial tools scale up ambitious peoples mindlessness. It doesn't matter what you teach a kid, if the kid has to then go and work for such a person.

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wow the whole site is only pushing bullshit science. Its worth to click a bit on the other articles. Seems like an AI generated website.

The OP hasn't commented in 3 months, and has submitted numerous articles from the same domain. The other mostly come from another domain with an identical UX.

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As someone who grew up in the 90s, so many things seem to have changed to just cause a ton of anxiety that we didn't have when I was growing up. A typical day for me as a teenager would be to wake up, have breakfast (or maybe not), walk to school, strictly pen and paper work only, hang out with my friends at lunch. We might play Gameboy after school, the same game for weeks on end. If I wanted something to do I had t…

Can you imagine what kind of shit show the first presidential election will be with gen Z candidates? I'm not taking a dig at the generation, but the social media posts that will be unearthed by the opponent's campaign. I predict we'll see would be presidents get sacked at the 11th hour due to things they said on Myspace in 8th grade.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Religious studies fails to make kids more religious You can definitely make kids believe in religion. There's a reason entire societies in the past held the same religious views.

Religious education in schools often fails because the kids can tell the adults teaching it don’t really believe in it themselves. If the person who wants you to believe it doesn’t actually do so, why should you? And then when they do really believe in it, more often than not rather than “I’ve thought deeply about all the doubts and I can give thoughtful responses to them”, their attitude is more “asking tough questi…

> their attitude is more “asking tough questions is a sin”

I hear this sentiment a lot, but having been in all sorts of church, para-church, and religious education settings, I've never once seen it for myself. I have stumped many tutors in my life, but not once was I chastised for "sinning." Not that my experience is worth more; it's just still very foreign to me.

What I have seen is a severe lack of religious knowledge in most adults. For whatever reason, many of these people don't have the drive to understand things for themselves. This is strange because if you genuinely believe in what you preach, it should be one of the most important things to get right.

I suppose this isn't much different from other aspects of our current culture, though. Most people seem satisfied with an extremely shallow understanding of things.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

> Religious studies fails to make kids more religious You can definitely make kids believe in religion. There's a reason entire societies in the past held the same religious views.

It seems to work only in conjunction with corporal punishment. When adults can't beat kids it's way harder to push nonsense onto them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Religious education in schools often fails because the kids can tell the adults teaching it don’t really believe in it themselves. If the person who wants you to believe it doesn’t actually do so, why should you? And then when they do really believe in it, more often than not rather than “I’ve thought deeply about all the doubts and I can give thoughtful responses to them”, their attitude is more “asking tough questi…

> the average Catholic school is more likely to turn your child into an atheist than into a convinced Catholic Most serious Catholics I know agree with this, btw.

I'm sure that it features prominently in some people's life paths, but this kind of conclusion really demands statistics before it becomes an unexamined truism.

For example, the N-years-latee Catholic versus atheist ratio among graduated students, and what we would expect it to be from a secular school after controlling for variables like socioeconomic status and parent's religion.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Religious education in schools often fails because the kids can tell the adults teaching it don’t really believe in it themselves. If the person who wants you to believe it doesn’t actually do so, why should you? And then when they do really believe in it, more often than not rather than “I’ve thought deeply about all the doubts and I can give thoughtful responses to them”, their attitude is more “asking tough questi…

> their attitude is more “asking tough questions is a sin” I hear this sentiment a lot, but having been in all sorts of church, para-church, and religious education settings, I've never once seen it for myself. I have stumped many tutors in my life, but not once was I chastised for "sinning." Not that my experience is worth more; it's just still very foreign to me. What I have seen is a severe lack of religious knowl…

> I hear this sentiment a lot, but having been in all sorts of church, para-church, and religious education settings, I've never once seen it for myself. I have stumped many tutors in my life, but not once was I chastised for "sinning." Not that my experience is worth more; it's just still very foreign to me.

It describes my own personal experience. No, no one ever explicitly told me "asking hard questions is a sin". But I was sure made to feel like it was, and while maybe that wasn't consciously intended, I suspect it kind of was intended, at least at a less than entirely conscious level

> Most people seem satisfied with an extremely shallow understanding of things.

I'm shocked by the number of professionals who have extremely shallow understandings. Pick a mental health diagnosis at random. Go looking (e.g. on PubMed) for scholarly debates over the scientific validity of that diagnosis – seek, and ye shall find. But, how familiar is the average psychologist or psychiatrist with those debates? In my experience, many who make a whole career specialising in said diagnosis, have never bothered to even go looking for them

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