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Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

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i have learned many language (german, english, french, japanese, korean). i have used Anki, Supermemo, Flashcards, Watched Series, Read Books and the only thing that seems to work is: - Spaced Repetition - Something you actually enjoy(learning should be fun) - Comprehensible Input anything else has not worked for me.

The limitation with flashcards is that you get the entire answer, not sure if there are flashcard apps with a hint function? I experimented with vocab training where you can peek the first two letters which helps jog the memory.

I've created a flashcard app with a hint function. I mention it in another comment.

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a geo restriction problem. It's a distribution rights problem. NRK doesn't own the right to distribute what they have worldwide, they bought limited local distribution rights. Why would local broadcasters buy the worldwide license ? It's the producers of the tv shows which need to license their product to a worldwide broadcaster. NRK is only georestricting because the licenses forbids them from not doing it.…

> NRK is only georestricting because the licenses forbids them from not doing it. I would be more inclined to say that they're doing it to be "safe". For example, their immediate neighbour, Sweden, has a selection "Kan ses utomlands"[2] -- which, roughly, means can see outside of the country. Presumably, like elsewhere in the world, not everything NRK is showing is licensed only for Norway. To the original point: The…

I'm in Norway so I don't really know how it looks like from abroad, but I am pretty sure a lot of NRK content is available globally. Under the Vikingane show you listed it clearly says "available in Norway". However the first show on the homepage "Nytt på nytt-quiz" [1], a type of game-show, says that it is available globally. I am not sure there is a clear overview over what is available globally though like SVT has.

I think often fiction-type shows like Vikingane has complicated licensing as it is normally produced by some sort of third-party, but other programs like news and the mintioned gameshow is produced in-house and NRK has all the rights. There is a very nice page with an archive of old programs [2], I think most of this should be globally available.

I of course agree in general that geo-restrictions and localized distribution rights are stupid concepts.

[1]: https://tv.nrk.no/serie/nytt-paa-nytt-quiz [2]: https://tv.nrk.no/programmer/nrk-arkivet

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

#53
post #27

i have learned many language (german, english, french, japanese, korean). i have used Anki, Supermemo, Flashcards, Watched Series, Read Books and the only thing that seems to work is: - Spaced Repetition - Something you actually enjoy(learning should be fun) - Comprehensible Input anything else has not worked for me.

The limitation with flashcards is that you get the entire answer, not sure if there are flashcard apps with a hint function? I experimented with vocab training where you can peek the first two letters which helps jog the memory.

Clozemaster has something like that where you can get the first letter as a hint. I tried Anki for a few languages and would always burn out making cards. Clozemaster is nice because it puts the word in the context of a sentence and then has an “explain” function that uses ChatGPT to explain the grammar. And they group words by sets of frequency (100 most common, 500 most common, etc)

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You may find yourself having to learn to think in a new way literally. I've said for a few years now my personality is slightly different when I speak English. I have a partner of several years that doesn't speak my language nor me hers and we communicate in English and even simple things like expressing affection feel different even after a decade. At some point since I speak more English every day than my own lan…

Living the same life. 10 years speaking English with a non English speaking partner and I can say I now fully think in English and in many aspects my English is better than my native language. Could never put words on it but things don’t feel so real either. The funniest part is now I speak my native language with my small kids and have fully relapsed to my original home town accent. I had abolished that accent years…

> 10 years speaking English with a non English speaking partner

Did you mean to say your partner doesn't speak your native language, or how does that work?

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

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After many attempts to learn different languages (Spanish, Arabic, German, Bengali) and having mixed results over the years, I started using Assimil courses and I’ve been very pleased with them. Going through Assimil French along with some comprehensible input on YouTube and I got to a high B1 reading/listening in 3-4 months. After that you can jump into tutoring on italki/Preply for speaking and then find other nati…

What helped so much with them that other attempts/methods lacked?

I find having the parallel text (one page target language, the other your source language) to be extremely helpful. The lesson texts are progressively more difficult (A1 to about B2), so it never feels overwhelming. And maybe most importantly you can get through a lesson in 20-30 minutes, so it’s easy to make a daily habit of it.

Here is how the method is generally used: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar04zvpoylU

With all the other language courses I’ve done it has always been tons of grammar lessons, some basic classroom discussion, and making vocab decks for something like Anki. With Assimil you’re immediately just inside the language, learning it almost passively. I was able to pick up easy native content books — like Camus in the case of French — after getting through the full Assimil course in a few months. Of course it’s still slow going and takes lots of effort, but the faster you can get to native content that is interesting to you the better I think.

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

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Are there any apps specifically targetted at polyglots? It's a niche so I doubt it. I guess you can tell the app that you're native french speaker learning German if you are more proficient in French and picking up German. This way you are training two languages simultaneously.

What do you mean by targeted at polyglots? Almost all apps allow you to chose your base and target language. Laddering like this is very common.

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

#58
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NRK is only georestricting because the licenses forbids them from not doing it. I would be more inclined to say that they're doing it to be "safe". For example, their immediate neighbour, Sweden, has a selection "Kan ses utomlands"[2] -- which, roughly, means can see outside of the country. Presumably, like elsewhere in the world, not everything NRK is showing is licensed only for Norway. To the original point: The…

I'm in Norway so I don't really know how it looks like from abroad, but I am pretty sure a lot of NRK content is available globally. Under the Vikingane show you listed it clearly says "available in Norway". However the first show on the homepage "Nytt på nytt-quiz" [1], a type of game-show, says that it is available globally. I am not sure there is a clear overview over what is available globally though like SVT has…

Thanks! Wasn't aware of the Archive link. Even so, it is hit and miss with what's available.

For example, the most popular show I've heard of, Skram[1], requires a login -- but Storst av alt (another I've heard of) does not.

[1] - https://tv.nrk.no/serie/skam/sesong/1

[2] - https://tv.nrk.no/serie/stoerst-av-alt

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

#59
post #23

I speak Spanish and English, but then I moved on to Japanese and now find myself stuck. I'm not confident in any scenario involving Japanese. Perhaps I should explore other languages (likely French, Portuguese, or another Romance language), then revisit Japanese. From there, I might transition to Mandarin and Korean. Either the path I chose is too complex, or age is beginning to impact my cognitive speed. Has anyone…

Been learning Japanese for...uhmmm...30 years? Not at a consistently intense level, but i started at age 12 with a book my grandpa got me for my birthday when i was a full on anime nerd. I am fluent in a handful of languages so i know i have it in me but, Japanese, oh boy, it's a tough nut to crack. I am conversationally fluent but I'm aware I must sound like a monkey half the time. Japanese is deceitful because the basic grammar rules are pretty simple once you get your head around them, not a lot of tenses or conjugations to learn, not even plurals or gender for the most part. But something about how simple it is makes it actually harder to understand, like the meaning is all these nuanced expressions that take forever to learn, and then of course the completely alien vocabulary, which because of the lack of phonetic variety there's lots and lots of ambiguity, too many similar words. And then there's all the speaking registers as used by different classes of people...

Re: Becoming an Amateur Polyglot

#60
post #27

i have learned many language (german, english, french, japanese, korean). i have used Anki, Supermemo, Flashcards, Watched Series, Read Books and the only thing that seems to work is: - Spaced Repetition - Something you actually enjoy(learning should be fun) - Comprehensible Input anything else has not worked for me.

The limitation with flashcards is that you get the entire answer, not sure if there are flashcard apps with a hint function? I experimented with vocab training where you can peek the first two letters which helps jog the memory.

In Anki, select the “Cloze” card type, and add hints with this syntax

    {{c1::answer::hint}} 
Try encoding the same information in multiple cards to train your brain to understand the concept rather than recognise the card. Good luck!
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