Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

e360.yale.edu

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 295 posts

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

#51

Post by mytailorisrich »

jdietrich wrote: post #46
mytailorisrich wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an uneeded "optimisation". There is nothing wrong with eating meat and breeding cattle. Again, the issue is that the environment has a limited, finite capacity, which we exceed when we are 10 billion with good standards of living. To reduce quality of life (because it's not limited to meat, it's comprehensive restrictions) simply to accomodate ever more humans on the planet is madness and unsustainable, anyway…

If you think there are too many people, remember that you are people.

Why is it always impossible to have an adult discussion on this issue? (An interesting question for academics, I think)

Obviously we are all people. The question is do we keep chasing an ever increasing population or do we accept that it cannot keep growing and should in fact probably decrease?

Most developed countries have birth rates below replacement rate so this is already happening. We need to accept it and adapt.

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

#54

Post by cogman10 »

andsmedeiros wrote: post #38

[flagged]

> There is no ethical meat

Depends on your definition of ethical. Assuming you define it in terms of a lack of cruelty to the animals and their handlers then such meat does exist.

However, the vast majority of meat is not that. The issue is it's cheaper to produce meat unethically than it is to produce it ethically. Because of that, at every step in the production to mouth there's a strong incentive to go the cheap route rather than the ethical route.

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

#55

Post by hpestyghr »

nanna wrote: post #11

A month or so ago a ship filled with 19,000 Brazilian cattle destined for the Middle East docked in Cape Town. The cows were living in such horrendous conditions that the stink of the ship took over the entire city. Living in pools of excrement, sick, lame, pregnant and even dead cows among them. The South African animal protection service had to put many down. It's easy, its right to blame the Bolsonaro regime for h…

In this specific case, it's because Middle Eastern countries want live imports due to halal requirements.

Live exports should be entirely banned.

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

#56

Post by ljf »

chasd00 wrote: post #40
ljf wrote: post #34

I grew up on a (very) small farm - so I knew where all the meat we ate (and eggs, apple, plums and jam) came from. One of the things I find most disconcerting as an adult is the disconnect with the food I eat. Even the local 'farmer butcher' - I don't actually know if the meat they sell me is what they say it is. I buy a lot of deer from a friend of a friend as it feels slightly more known to me - even if I have no i…

Isn’t selling venison against the law?

I'm in the UK - but yes he's a registered 'pest controller' - he gets paid by local farmers to keep the invasive deer population low (muncjac and Chinese water deer), and is also licenced to sell the meat. You can get either a whole/half skinned and basically butchered deer from him, or any selected cuts, for £9 a kg - which pretty damn cheap really!

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

#58

Post by carlosjobim »

chasd00 wrote: post #40
ljf wrote: post #34

I grew up on a (very) small farm - so I knew where all the meat we ate (and eggs, apple, plums and jam) came from. One of the things I find most disconcerting as an adult is the disconnect with the food I eat. Even the local 'farmer butcher' - I don't actually know if the meat they sell me is what they say it is. I buy a lot of deer from a friend of a friend as it feels slightly more known to me - even if I have no i…

Isn’t selling venison against the law?

That should be the last concern of any decent human being. If they outlaw breathing, will you stop? Hunting is something our species has done for over a billion years by this point.

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

#59

Post by kvirani »

ljf wrote: post #56
chasd00 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t selling venison against the law?

I'm in the UK - but yes he's a registered 'pest controller' - he gets paid by local farmers to keep the invasive deer population low (muncjac and Chinese water deer), and is also licenced to sell the meat. You can get either a whole/half skinned and basically butchered deer from him, or any selected cuts, for £9 a kg - which pretty damn cheap really!

And that right there is a solid moat
Post reply on HN