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North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

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Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

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Councils can barely afford standards fit for for use in 1994, unfortunately

Can't the government fund a single open standard? Every council is now individually paying to license this broken spec.

You can make that suggestion at https://github.com/co-cddo/open-standards

That's the UK Government's discussion space for adopting open standards.

(I used to work there.)

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#52

Makes sense IMO, the apostrophes don't add much but can cause a lot of issues in manual transcription, simple queries, etc.

Aside from making some signs grammatically incorrect, it means places/streets cannot be named after anyone with an apostrophe in their name without mangling their name. It's a bit ironic to honour people by failing to respect their name.

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

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Thomas' is not grammatically correct in any version of English that I know. It's not plural. There is no special rule for that. Both the street signs you mentioned are at least grammatically coherent

Confidently wrong. > Some writers and editors add ’s to every proper noun, be it Hastings’s or Jones’s. There also are a few who add only an apostrophe to all nouns ending in s. > ..One method, common in newspapers and magazines, is to add an apostrophe plus s (’s) to common nouns ending in s, but only a stand-alone apostrophe to proper nouns ending in s. > Examples: the class’s hours; Mr. Jones’ golf clubs; The canv…

"Some writers" say that the French Foreign Legion has been deployed to the front lines in Ukraine too. We must take this very seriously, then!

Some writers write things like Four Fat Harvard Girls Lose Book Bag too. They use sentence fragments. They try to save ink by doing weird shit. Professional Buzzfeed writers write AF (yes, in caps) to mean as fuck. The Atlantic used the words electroöptical and rôles in 1940. Just because some minimum-wage burnout or penny-pinching editor breaks a rule doesn't mean that the rule doesn't exist.

If you go around the office saying that someone drank out of the boss' mug, they'll think you're fresh off the boat. Not only is it wrong in written English, it's not even accepted colloquially in spoken English, anywhere. And so it makes perfect sense that the written form would reflect the pronunciation.

Saying Texas' weather out loud just confuses people into thinking you're using it as an adjective when what you're really doing is trying to sound smart when you're actually sounding dumb. If you point at a book and say, that's Chris', you sound like you have brain damage. How is the book Chris'? Chris is a person, not a book! The only reason that people don't correct you is that they're being polite. And people misspell words all the time and the world doesn't cave in. That doesn't imply any particular thing about English grammar.

Another commenter found that you can say Jeff Bridges' because this is an irregular case to avoid saying the same sound twice—an exception which proves the rule (and also, I don't think it's irrelevant at all to point out the fact that Bridges is literally a plural noun made into a name). But Thomas is decidedly not in this narrow category. His source even uses Thomas' as an example of what not to do, lol. Normally I wouldn't dumpster someone this hard but hn rate limits so I may as well lengthen my response. Nothing personal.

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#54

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Confidently wrong. > Some writers and editors add ’s to every proper noun, be it Hastings’s or Jones’s. There also are a few who add only an apostrophe to all nouns ending in s. > ..One method, common in newspapers and magazines, is to add an apostrophe plus s (’s) to common nouns ending in s, but only a stand-alone apostrophe to proper nouns ending in s. > Examples: the class’s hours; Mr. Jones’ golf clubs; The canv…

"Some writers" say that the French Foreign Legion has been deployed to the front lines in Ukraine too. We must take this very seriously, then! Some writers write things like Four Fat Harvard Girls Lose Book Bag too. They use sentence fragments. They try to save ink by doing weird shit. Professional Buzzfeed writers write AF (yes, in caps) to mean as fuck. The Atlantic used the words electroöptical and rôles in 1940.…

> it's not even accepted colloquially in spoken English

How the hell would you hear the apostrophe in "spoken English"?

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#55

As if database were not able to del with apostrophes or other special characters... Yes you have to sanitize your queries, but you have to do it anyway. Client applications will of course have to be smarter

As someone with an apostrophe in my name, it has been my experience whenever I come across this sort of thing, you can be sure the project is crap.

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

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This seems silly for the reason they're doing it, in that a modern database should be able to handle characters with a little sanitation. However, it does seem like it could be helpful when it comes to satnav applications to remove ambiguity. Google's going to autocorrect most of the time anyway, but this way, you're less likely to run into an issue where it takes you to Kings Landing in the wrong town because you di…

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Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#57

I have a street in a town near me which grammatically should be called St. Thomas' road. However, the street signs call it St. Thomas road at the north end and St. Thomas's road at the south end.

Not quite related to apostrophes, but I feel the need to point out my favourite street name of all time (as read on a street sign): St John St (-> Saint John Street)

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

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As if database were not able to del with apostrophes or other special characters... Yes you have to sanitize your queries, but you have to do it anyway. Client applications will of course have to be smarter

I would argue if you sanitize your input you are already doing it wrong, you should parameterize queries and send the data entirely separately from code.
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