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Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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Or maybe this company that sent the takedowns, Marketly (not MS, just someone with whom they have a contract), never sent takedowns to Bing. (Why is of course open to speculation; maybe Bing isn't popular enough to be worth the effort)

That still leaves Microsoft in a position where they pay others to send takedown notices to their competitor for the stuff they don't bother to take down themselves. You'd think they'd do that for themselves, too, if they thought those links are so horrible for their own business. My guess is they just want to mess with Google and waste their time on money chasing hundreds of thousands of links a month.

Man, you need to pay more attention to Hanlon's Razor. What's actually happened is Microsoft's xbox division has paid this company to do something about xbox piracy. And this company has sent takedowns (legitimate, I might add) to google, not out of some dastardly plan to waste google's time, but to try and make it harder to find pirated xbox games. The juiciest angle supported by the facts is "third-party Microsoft supplier thinks google more useful than bing", and while that's not exactly flattering to microsoft, it tells us nothing we didn't already know.

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

#52
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>The fact that they haven't rectified this in their own search engine should be pretty good evidence that copying and piracy are not, in fact, "theft" and that they don't represent lost sales What? Does not compute.

If MS truly felt they were losing money, they'd shut down the links. Bing links are, for obvious reasons, much easier to shut down than Google links. But they didn't. You can do the rest of the computation.

More likely the legal team just forgot that Bing exists.

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

#53
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Never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by incompetence.

It's much easier to do when the incompetence is not this selective.

Are you folks seriously insinuating that MS purposely keep Windows and XBox warez links in Bing to compete against Google?

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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post #43

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>The fact that they haven't rectified this in their own search engine should be pretty good evidence that copying and piracy are not, in fact, "theft" and that they don't represent lost sales What? Does not compute.

If MS truly felt they were losing money, they'd shut down the links. Bing links are, for obvious reasons, much easier to shut down than Google links. But they didn't. You can do the rest of the computation.

So why are they then contracting out the takedown notices to a third party which must be charging them a whole bunch for sending notices for hundreds of thousands of links? Just to make Bing better and Google worse for 0.01% of popular illegal downloads? Again, does not compute.

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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I am loving the takedown notice for the takedown notice. http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/copyright/... Perhaps this is the solution to the entire problem, trap the whole system in a recursive loop. Although then perhaps all the telephones in the world will ring until Douglas Hofstadter answers one of them.

Is that a reference to something? I'm imagining Hofstadter telling fans to call a number at random, and ask the person who answers to call another number at random and repeat the request to whoever answers, with the end result being that Hofstadter's phone would ring and you could talk to him. That sounds like something he'd do, but I can't find a mention of it on Google.

End of lawnmower man.

[edit] but with Douglas Hofstadter. And a kitten. But the kitten is just out of shot, so we can't really see it.

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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Wait, do you really consider "bitch" or "bitching" in these contexts sexist, nowadays? I've seen it applied to both genders, and, as in this case, a verb. It's moved on from the controversial stage to a common expression.

Hmm. I agree that it's normalized (as you said below), and not controversial to lots of people. But I think that's because people are mostly fine with casual sexism, as long as it's not too obvious. So think about this. You've seen it applied to both genders. How is it applied to men? "Whiny little bitch"; "I'm gonna make you my bitch"; "Suck it, bitch"; "Stop bitching ..." Here's what those phrases mean to people, n…

   "I'm going to sexually dominate you like a woman".
If you want to be pedantic, it's:

  I'm going to sexually dominate you like a female dog.

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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post #17

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Wait, do you really consider "bitch" or "bitching" in these contexts sexist, nowadays? I've seen it applied to both genders, and, as in this case, a verb. It's moved on from the controversial stage to a common expression.

No, I don't buy that at all. It's unfortunate that it has moved to the common usage, because it is equivalent to "when you complain you sound like a woman, and that is bad." People should learn to speak respectfully instead of normalizing legitimately offensive language.

You're right. I advocate that we take a page from Trey Parker and Matt Stone, and replace all usage of "mother fucker" with "uncle fucker."

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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It's much easier to do when the incompetence is not this selective.

Are you folks seriously insinuating that MS purposely keep Windows and XBox warez links in Bing to compete against Google?

No, actually I was poking fun at what is clearly a case of Big Co incompetence. They are throwing stones from a glass house.

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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I'm not following...there aren't 2 parties. There's 1 party, the people sending a take down notice. The question is why aren't they sending the same take down notices to all search engines which have the material in question?

Maybe they have and Bing just prioritizes requests differently? This is interesting though, when I saw the headline about Microsoft making so many takedown requests to Google I assumed the items to be taken down were found by the Bing team, but it seems that isn't the case.

Maybe it is and the Bing team only uses Google to find the links. (lol) Actually didn't Microsoft force their employees to use only Microsoft products? Sometimes it's not fun to eat your own dogfood.

Re: Bing shows results that MS asked Google to take down

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MS hires a third party to police these SERPs. The third party does't send notices to Bing because they'd be threatening their own client! It's that simple.

Anything more would require additional effort and initiative and coordination between the contracting team, the contractor, and the Bing team. Probably someone just hired the third party, turned them loose and didn't put any more thought into it.

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