Hi there, I am on developement team of Newnode, a successor of FireChat founded by two of the same people ( https://www.newnode.com/ ). We now provide both, a VPN and a Messenger, with purpose to help people evade censorship and enable device-to-device connectivity. You can find the source code at https://github.com/clostra/newnode
FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
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Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
A antifa relative does not carry their phone with them when they meet, nor do they carry it in their person when attending a rally - they have a friend/lawyer name/number written in a paper with them, just in case some one has to be contacted. At rallies, masked, sun glasses, baseball hat and a couple of shirts
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Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#53Hi there, I am on developement team of Newnode, a successor of FireChat founded by two of the same people ( https://www.newnode.com/ ). We now provide both, a VPN and a Messenger, with purpose to help people evade censorship and enable device-to-device connectivity. You can find the source code at https://github.com/clostra/newnode
Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seriously though, if you are going to take a phone to a protest, buy an Android used at a bodega and don't put anything personal on it. Expect to lose it.
Even then, most burner phones have serial numbers they can track to the sale.
Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#55It is endlessly depressing to me that the 'revolutionary' tools that so often catch on aren't free and open source.
The entire history of the internet is basically decentralized protocols being slowly transformed into corporate walled-gardens.
Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a combination of LoRa, bluetooth, and WiFi might be the alternative. I've seen videos of LoRA functioning below the noise floor (perfect for evading RF triangulation), and at 200km (perfect for reaching past physical borders). The major weakness is line of sight (and availability), but bluetooth and WiFi can help there.
Theoretically it can't be below the noise floor right? I don’t know much about radio stuff fwiw that just seems impossible by definition
It's also possible to receive non spread-spectrum signals below the noise floor, if you can observe it over longer time and get additional "processing gain" that way
Additionally, it is a bad idea to use spread spectrum as a means of concealment because if the adversary is physically near enough, your signal will show up above the noise floor. Due to the inverse square law etc, you have a narrow zone of enough power to be received by your remote recipient, but not enough power for closer adversaries to detect you. You are also reliant on the unlikely situation of an adversary without more advanced RF hardware with lower noise receivers.
Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#57It's gone because it was barely usable.
the eulogy also forgets it was a mesh-tweeter public and all, not a mesh end to end private comunication solution people should have been using on those situations.
> In 2014, after Hong Kong protesters demonstrated to the world how effective a tool it was, news blogs quickly pointed out that FireChat messages were not secure. By 2015, Open Garden updated the app to include end-to-end encryption,
Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even then, most burner phones have serial numbers they can track to the sale.
I've bought a fair number of test devices. Nobody at a corner shop or mall phone repair kiosk has ever ID'ed me or kept track of the IMEI of a device I bought.
Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
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I've bought a fair number of test devices. Nobody at a corner shop or mall phone repair kiosk has ever ID'ed me or kept track of the IMEI of a device I bought.
Interesting. My understanding was that IMEI could be traced to what vendor it was sold to, then they could pull the purchases and either see the card used to buy it, or find the video when the transaction occurred. Guess it depends on whether there is a method to pin which the exact phone without needing to scrub the purchases records.
Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared
#60Hi there, I am on developement team of Newnode, a successor of FireChat founded by two of the same people ( https://www.newnode.com/ ). We now provide both, a VPN and a Messenger, with purpose to help people evade censorship and enable device-to-device connectivity. You can find the source code at https://github.com/clostra/newnode
And if not, it seems unrealistic to expect people to adopt / trust your alternative.