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Heh, saw the UK in the headline and expected another leap towards our 1984 inspired future. Nice to see a change that actually benefits us that live here! Small step in the right direction.
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I'm not sure that's entirely true in the UK. The Polish plumber taking British jobs is a fairly common trope in far-right discourse. I believe this is prevalent across Western Europe in general.
I think that was true 10 years ago, but now it seems to have evened off a bit. Generally speaking (in my circles and the circles I see around me with family etc) there’s an acceptance of the “polish plumber” as a hard working person getting by these days.
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It was about brown people. Always is. They aren't bothered by white immigrants.
That is not true. The leaders of both the Brexit campaigns (Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage) both clearly said that they wanted more non EU (so mostly non-white) immigration - provided it was skilled people. Government policy since Brexit has made non-EU immigration easier. Remainers wanted less non-EU immgration and more EU immigration. So somehow the people who wanted less white immigration and more non-white immigr…
Like, in the USA, they always complain about illegal immigration but say legal immigration is perfectly okay. If that were actually the case, they'd want an easy streamlined legal process. But they don't, because the point of the legal process being difficult is to keep certain types of people out. They're actually not okay with the kinds of certain kinds of people which mostly correlate to the ones who can't get through the legal process, and use "they're just too lazy to follow the process and if they followed the process I'd be fine with them" as a memetic shield against criticism.
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It was about brown people. Always is. They aren't bothered by white immigrants.
That is not true. The leaders of both the Brexit campaigns (Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage) both clearly said that they wanted more non EU (so mostly non-white) immigration - provided it was skilled people. Government policy since Brexit has made non-EU immigration easier. Remainers wanted less non-EU immgration and more EU immigration. So somehow the people who wanted less white immigration and more non-white immigr…
> Remainers wanted less non-EU immgration and more EU immigration.
This is not true. I don't think there's a consensus on what 'remainers' wanted to do with non-EU immigration.
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It was about brown people. Always is. They aren't bothered by white immigrants.
I'm not sure that's entirely true in the UK. The Polish plumber taking British jobs is a fairly common trope in far-right discourse. I believe this is prevalent across Western Europe in general.
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This is V0, the actual requirements are regulations, which can be updated really easily. Much easier to pass a law with very basic requirements and increase them later. This is much better than nothing, which is what most countries have.
I would actually prefer a low that (in addition?) required a reasonable standard of care with regard to security, imposed responsibility for consequential loss for negligence, and left the courts to interpret it.
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It was about brown people. Always is. They aren't bothered by white immigrants.
That is not true. The leaders of both the Brexit campaigns (Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage) both clearly said that they wanted more non EU (so mostly non-white) immigration - provided it was skilled people. Government policy since Brexit has made non-EU immigration easier. Remainers wanted less non-EU immgration and more EU immigration. So somehow the people who wanted less white immigration and more non-white immigr…
Basically the UK replaced the culturally and economically close immigration from EU with culturally and economically far immigration from other countries, while also kneekapping itself economically...
And finally: "This is one reason a lot of us Brown people voted for Brexit. not my main reason, which was mostly opposition to further integration (the commitment to "ever closer integration") and some aspects of EU decision making, legislation and regulation."
Perhaps. Or perhaps it is the very common pattern of immigrants voting against further immigrants coming in. Notably, a very significant LatAm immigrant continent in the US are staunch Republican voters against immigration. Sure, they might come up with a variety of excuses why they are voting against their fellow countrymen being able to immigrate like they did, but ultimately it's quite clearly an attempt to burn the bridge behind them to close off further competiton for their own jobs.
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I'm not sure that's entirely true in the UK. The Polish plumber taking British jobs is a fairly common trope in far-right discourse. I believe this is prevalent across Western Europe in general.
I’m not convinced that the adherents of the UK and Western European far-right count Polish people as white, despite the typical Polish skin color. This is like how Italian and Irish people were often not considered white in the late 19th and early 20th century in the US, and probably in the UK too although I’m less familiar with that.
While this move is clearly sensible the number of people importing absolute junk from Temu/AliExpress/Shein means millions of homes will be exploitable regardless.
I regularly see the same product on AliExpress and in cheap EU shops. Most Ali things have a CE mark. Most of my electronics has an FCC mark, even if it means nothing here. (I presume USA inhabitants see CE marks?) Globalization means it's cheaper to make 1 product, compliant with US and EU, then sell it from AliExpress too. This is exactly what the EU is counting on.
I know, it's bogus, but this is their explanation.
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It was about brown people. Always is. They aren't bothered by white immigrants.
Kinda. I think it's slowly becoming more anti immigration in general. Though with the London Mayoral election on Thursday, it seems like people want Khan out, using "ULEZ" as the excuse for not wanting a "brown" person. I know a fair few people who live in London and their only criticism of him is ULEZ, even if it doesn't effect them at all (massively brainwashed by Facebook)
Sadiq Khan is Muslim which is more of a wedge issue, but I would say in my circles, ULEZ, and more generally anti car sentiment, is a huge concern.
In my experience as a Brit no-one really cares about skin colour but about culture, religion (if fundamentalist), accent, etc. It basically just comes down to "are you integrated". I don't think that it's unfair to expect people to fit into society.
That's pretty much what the immigration debate is all about. If a Nigerian millionare comes over, brings his family, whacks them in a private school, basically no-one cares. Bring more.
It's unskilled, uneducated people who have issues with integration that basically everyone wants to limit.