I'm reading the comments here and it's remarkable how few people seem to have felt the vibe shift. The vibe began shifting like a year and a half ago and it's getting more widespread by the day. Zoomer males, future leaders, are thinking very different thoughts from the rest of society.
The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
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#52It's kinda crazy just how untouchable Israel is in the US politically. TikTok can spread all sorts of craziness amongst America's youth for years -- but the second politicians find out it's being used to oppose Israel's actions in Gaza, it's banned by congress and the president (which is of course still pending). Ivy Leagues can spend years promoting very radical ideas and kicking out people left and right for wrongt…
TikTok isn't banned. They are just being forced to operate it as a US company.
And given we have whistleblowers who say they were providing information to the Chinese government and odd data like below it doesn't seem particularly unreasonable.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMAVQ5VXsAE1weD?format=jpg&name=...
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#53It's kinda crazy just how untouchable Israel is in the US politically. TikTok can spread all sorts of craziness amongst America's youth for years -- but the second politicians find out it's being used to oppose Israel's actions in Gaza, it's banned by congress and the president (which is of course still pending). Ivy Leagues can spend years promoting very radical ideas and kicking out people left and right for wrongt…
> It's kinda crazy just how untouchable Israel is in the US politically.
Consider what you've seen in the media for...well, your whole life. People tend to not collectively form invalid beliefs accidentally.
Re: The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem
#54It's kinda crazy just how untouchable Israel is in the US politically. TikTok can spread all sorts of craziness amongst America's youth for years -- but the second politicians find out it's being used to oppose Israel's actions in Gaza, it's banned by congress and the president (which is of course still pending). Ivy Leagues can spend years promoting very radical ideas and kicking out people left and right for wrongt…
TikTok isn't banned. They are just being forced to operate it as a US company. And given we have whistleblowers who say they were providing information to the Chinese government and odd data like below it doesn't seem particularly unreasonable. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMAVQ5VXsAE1weD?format=jpg&name=...
> They are just being forced to operate it as a US company.
Can you explain the role the word "just" is playing in your statement, and how you determined it to be true?
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#55I think I agree with Nate’s advice (skip the Ivies, go to a good state school) but I don’t agree with the reasons why. I don’t think elite private colleges are losing esteem at all (the recent noise about pro-Palestinian protests will be forgotten five minutes after they stop, just like all the other campus protest movements in decades past, this isn’t new!), I just think the economic argument is getting harder and h…
I get your point, but Ivies (and other rich private schools) offer dramatically better financial aid to "middle class" students than most state schools do. E.g. most students who qualify for aid would take on less debt to attend Stanford or an Ivy than to attend, say, UC Berkeley. Or pick some other state school, since Cal has had its share of protests.
If you can get into an Ivy, you can probably get at least a full tuition scholarship for most in state universities.
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#56I don't buy a lot of this analysis. >This week, for instance, Google — despite probably being the most progressive or Silicon Valley company, nevertheless fired dozens of employees involved in pro-Palestine/anti-Israel protests that resemble those on university campuses. I find it extremely hard to believe that Google is going to start not wanting to hire MIT grads because MIT has a protest encampment. This sort of t…
> hard to believe that Google is going to start not wanting to hire MIT grads because MIT has a protest encampment There was a time when Google wouldn't consider a candidate if they weren't from MIT. The loss of that monopoly is the point. You aren't disadvantaged going to MIT today relative to a few decades ago. You're just not as relatively advantaged as you once were.
Google only hired from a single university? It seems unlikely, even at the beginning. Maybe it's an exaggeration of the story that they only hired from Ivy League schools.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
The richest can pay 20x more for something only slightly better and genuinely think it's a great deal. You can't.
But if you make friends with those rich kids may open opportunities you would not otherwise have.
But is it easy for a lower economic state kid to befriend rich kids? They do come from different worlds, and even the activities (skiing for a weekend, taking taxis to concerts, etc) can divide you. This was partly my experience, though it never entered my mind to try and befriend “rich kids” but I think my choice of activities (think LAN parties vs poker games with real money), my time spent in a campus job, not knowing how to ski or have money for a trip, definitely narrowed my friendship opportunities.
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#58It's kinda crazy just how untouchable Israel is in the US politically. TikTok can spread all sorts of craziness amongst America's youth for years -- but the second politicians find out it's being used to oppose Israel's actions in Gaza, it's banned by congress and the president (which is of course still pending). Ivy Leagues can spend years promoting very radical ideas and kicking out people left and right for wrongt…
TikTok isn't banned. They are just being forced to operate it as a US company. And given we have whistleblowers who say they were providing information to the Chinese government and odd data like below it doesn't seem particularly unreasonable. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMAVQ5VXsAE1weD?format=jpg&name=...
None of that is new. What changed is that politicians didn't like the messages being sent on TikTok.
And, yes, the act calls for it to be banned unless it's divested. That's still a ban.
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#59When the richest and most powerful start sending their kids to public school then I might believe this. Until then the title makes for good clickbait but nothing believable. This tweet I read earlier today lays out the case: "The best reason to go to a top 10 American university: In a random class you'll have a governor's daughter, the son of a billionaire and two guys with 170+ IQ. It's a hell of a group of people t…
> In a random class you'll have a governor's daughter, the son of a billionaire and two guys with 170+ IQ. It's a hell of a group of people to mingle with to succeed in life. I'm super anti-university but I'll admit that this alone probably makes those schools worth it.."
Except that you already have to have money to hang with that group.
What happens when they're heading to Switzerland for Spring Break? Yeah, you from the lower socioeconomic group on scholarship aren't going. After a couple of exclusions like that, that group won't hang with you anymore.
Sure, if you're from the very lowest socioeconomic strata, everything is up. Anybody you hang with is an improvement. However, if you're merely in the middle, that's not necessarily true when compared with a non-Ivy.
And, I would like to point out that law is NOT always best served by having an Ivy credential for undergrad. If you're involved in state politics, it's often best to have your law degree from the best law school in the state (which is often public!) and then have something like a JD from an Ivy.
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#60Harvey Mudd will cost $93K this upcoming year. Virginia Tech will cost $41K (in state). It is tough to justify a 2.3x difference in price.
Yeah but after considering tons of financial aid , scholarships, discounts, forbearance plans, and other aid, it's not as bad as the 93k sticker price suggests. No one is writing a check for 93k. In return you get a degree with considerable earning power that pays off from higher wages that increase with inflation, whereas student loan payments are fixed and amortized over a decade.