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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by crispyambulance »

chipdart wrote: post #22
fnordsensei wrote: post #17

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At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. And then we can’t have scientific inquiry into anything, because baby/bathwater.

> At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. Not really. The UFO community is synonymous with gullible crackpots and conspiracy loons. If the community wants to be take seriously, they themselves need to sort themselves out before they can expect to be taken seriously. It's the boy that cried alien.

> The UFO community is synonymous with gullible crackpots and conspiracy loons.

It's worse than that. There's definitely a religious element to their beliefs. The UAP hearings last summer suggest that there's "UFO-believers" in leadership positions in the Department of defense. These people are SPENDING GOVERNMENT MONEY on insane fiascos and have been able to get a lot of attention lately.

The AARO report (https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/37...) goes into detail.

The sad thing is that some politicians have latched on to this and are using it to appease their conspiracy-laden constituencies.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by mtreis86 »

keepamovin wrote: post #12
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. In particular, this example seems to be explained as follows: > In 2020, Justus completed an extensive study of the high-altitude barium release clouds, concluding that what Carter saw…

The barium clouds in that video are a cool effect. Can that model explain the movement towards, then away from the group of witnesses? I guess wind, but is it so common for wind to blow clouds 1 way and then stop and then blow the other? Not a metrologist, don't know! Haha :) A good overview of "state of UAP" right now is: https://www.uap.guide/quotes/introduction In addition, for fun, here's some other political fig…

It is very common for the atmosphere to have wind blowing in multiple directions between the different layers, called shear. Usually the jet stream will be around 90 degrees offset from the layers above or below it. If you open up https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs and click or select any region to get into the model sounding viewer, there will be wind direction barbs off to the right of the map that show the shear vertically.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

api wrote: post #21
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by sokoloff »

WillAdams wrote: post #42
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

The thing which kills me is that I am still mystified (and outraged) by how in my lifetime we went from: - I am selling my family farm because I don't want there to be a perception of influence. to: - I am keeping all of my companies and property and will be charging the Secret Service which has the duty to protect me room and board. That said, the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous --- it's _hard_ to bring an obje…

It’s also hard to achieve interstellar travel in the first place, so if you grant an alien civilization the ability to harness energy to that degree, it doesn’t seem incomprehensible to grant them the ability to control/harness maneuvering ability to enter our solar system.

(I’m on the side of “we will die out before ever interacting with intelligent alien life”, but I still think it’s non-zero.)

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by bamboozled »

ceejayoz wrote: post #47
sdiupIGPWEfh wrote: post #9

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I keep hearing folks say this in a way that grossly overestimates the capabilities of most modern camera phones. I have to ask, just how clearly does your phone take images of airliners, drones, high-altitude balloons, and satellites? Don't get me wrong, I'm not into claims of extraterrestrial visitations, but I am annoyed by the habits of lazy armchair skeptics, whose snark does more to distance true believers from…

The “lights in the sky” stuff has always had better explanations. I watched a C-5 fly over low at night in the Adirondacks and it was very odd; very UFO-y until just before it passed over us. It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

Why was a C-5 ufo-y? What made it look like that?

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by ceejayoz »

bamboozled wrote: post #55
ceejayoz wrote: post #47

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The “lights in the sky” stuff has always had better explanations. I watched a C-5 fly over low at night in the Adirondacks and it was very odd; very UFO-y until just before it passed over us. It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

Why was a C-5 ufo-y? What made it look like that?

Dark, landing lights, engines on idle at low altitude. (Presumably landing at Fort Drum soon.) Could only see the big light seemingly hanging there silently in the sky for much longer than seemed plausible.

It was only when it flew directly over the lake we were staying at that we saw it was a cargo plane.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by bsuvc »

While the link itself is not political, it seems to be inviting the people who want to turn HN into a place where they can say why their preferred candidate is the best, or more typically why the other candidate is just about the worst person in human history.

HN is better when politics are discussed elsewhere.

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

bsuvc wrote: post #57

While the link itself is not political, it seems to be inviting the people who want to turn HN into a place where they can say why their preferred candidate is the best, or more typically why the other candidate is just about the worst person in human history. HN is better when politics are discussed elsewhere. > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.

Sorry; it's hard to socially engineer discourse that intensely, kommissar. :p

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by tetris11 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #47
sdiupIGPWEfh wrote: post #9

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I keep hearing folks say this in a way that grossly overestimates the capabilities of most modern camera phones. I have to ask, just how clearly does your phone take images of airliners, drones, high-altitude balloons, and satellites? Don't get me wrong, I'm not into claims of extraterrestrial visitations, but I am annoyed by the habits of lazy armchair skeptics, whose snark does more to distance true believers from…

The “lights in the sky” stuff has always had better explanations. I watched a C-5 fly over low at night in the Adirondacks and it was very odd; very UFO-y until just before it passed over us. It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

I saw a white and red orb slowly rotating high in the sky above me in broad daylight. I was convinced I was looking at a UFO, right up until I faintly made out the "Virgin" logo on what was likely a hot air balloon seen at a 180 degree angle

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by delecti »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #53
api wrote: post #21

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I'm not sure where this idea came from, because Biden seems relatively sharp to me. Not a genius, not a rhetorical master, but relatively sharp. He does have a stutter though, and you can see he occasionally stumbles on a word before rewording the sentence he's trying to say.
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