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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by ufocia »

blagie wrote: post #30
axytol wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One nice benefit for optical media is that it's hard read only by default. This makes it easy to ensure the install media does not get corrupted by overwrites or malware.

No, it's not read-only. It's just that the writes are somewhat random, and in control of God and physics, rather than, of human design. (speaking as someone with a big pile of CD-Rs in the attic, most of which have some forms of corruption on them) I'd love to see a standard like M-Disc in mainstream use. The problem is optical has not kept up with magnetic. M-Disc is about $100 for 100GB. In contrast, I bought a 20T…

Optical made advancements beyond the DVD. However they caught on only in a limited manner. There is Blue-Ray, now 128GB 4-layer. However, due to the amount of data we generate and consume, long term storage is less of a concern at the consumer level, i.e. there is almost always more where that came from. Content has, simply put, been commoditized.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by techwizard81 »

dventimi wrote: post #33
trueismywork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's generally problem with bad hardware yes. With good hardware, it's not a problem. Bad hardware = hardware by vendors who intentionally or unintentionally design it with only windows in mind.

I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?

Lenovo is a good brand for Linux, i've never had any issues running various distros on my thinkpads over the years.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by zaikunzhang »

axytol wrote: post #46
zaikunzhang wrote: post #24

Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today. The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue…

As a fellow alternative Ubuntu user, one additional difference is the LTS support schedule which is shorter for Ubuntu alternatives. For example, Xubuntu 24.04 is supported until 2027, while Ubuntu 24.04 is supported until 2029. Interestingly, as I understood it, when a release such as Xubuntu goes out of support it does not stop getting updates that are not specific to that respective flavor, so in a way you still h…

Good point. My strategy is to buy a new laptop (Thinkpad X1 Carbon) every one or two years and install the latest LTS of Xubuntu, so that a 3-year support is long enough for me.

Over the years, I have developed my notes and scripts to configure quickly a newly installed Xubuntu system on a new computer, so that everything works in the same way as on my old computer. Since I stick with the same brand of laptop (Thinkpad X1 Carbon), I do not feel any difference after the configuration, except that the computer becomes more powerful. I do not want to spend my time on adapting myself to a new system or a new computer.

Buying a new laptop so frequently may sound a bit expensive. It is indeed not if you spend so much time on your laptop as me. A more powerful laptop means that I can finish my work (e.g., numerical experiments) in (much) less time. In this sense, my life is prolonged. This is the only case I know that a common person can effectively trade an affordable amount of money for a longer life, as I often tell my students.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by dventimi »

layer8 wrote: post #50
trueismywork wrote: post #41

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I don't know. Depends on whether it has devices where manufacturers have written drivers only for windows or also for Linux. Sometimes vendors also hide information on how firmware works to prevent other people from writing drivers for Linux. Of course end users think Linux doesn't support that hardware, when reality is that the device manufacturers don't support Linux.

It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.

That's right. Reading the above thread it seems to me the distinction between "good" and "bad" hardware is made by whether it works with Linux, but that's circular reasoning. Moreover, my intention behind my comment about my new Lenovo laptop was that it can't simply be a matter of unusual low-volume hardware running into support issues.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by karmakaze »

axytol wrote: post #46
zaikunzhang wrote: post #24

Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today. The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue…

As a fellow alternative Ubuntu user, one additional difference is the LTS support schedule which is shorter for Ubuntu alternatives. For example, Xubuntu 24.04 is supported until 2027, while Ubuntu 24.04 is supported until 2029. Interestingly, as I understood it, when a release such as Xubuntu goes out of support it does not stop getting updates that are not specific to that respective flavor, so in a way you still h…

One could install Ubuntu and `sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop` then tweak from there.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by throw0101c »

briffle wrote: post #13
digiou wrote: post #9

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I think this is the result of how bluetooth itself works for bi-directional voice headsets, no? I do get bad quality on every OS when I have to do this, unless it has to do with the audio codec.

My windows 11 computer does the same thing. It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality

> It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality

The aptX codec allows for CD-quality audio over Bluetooth:

* https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2021/09/qualcomm-adds...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AptX

Comparison of three in-ear monitors (IEMs):

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk94btRPZI4

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by djbusby »

dventimi wrote: post #33
trueismywork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's generally problem with bad hardware yes. With good hardware, it's not a problem. Bad hardware = hardware by vendors who intentionally or unintentionally design it with only windows in mind.

I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?

Which WiFi did it get? The RTL ones are not good.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by EasyMark »

s1k3s wrote: post #31

3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?

If you're using new hardware it's a crap shoot unless you get a machine ready for linux or you do a bunch of research on hardware that has known hardware support for linux. It's always been this way, although the situation has gotten better over the years.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by qzw »

dventimi wrote: post #33
trueismywork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's generally problem with bad hardware yes. With good hardware, it's not a problem. Bad hardware = hardware by vendors who intentionally or unintentionally design it with only windows in mind.

I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?

With Lenovo it could be either. Thinkpads have historically worked pretty well with Linux. The more consumer oriented stuff can be hit or miss. Generally the more newfangled features (dual screens, detachability, extra eink displays, etc.), the worse the support. Thinkpads also tend to last longer, so there’s more time for driver support to catch up before they’re broken or obsolete.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by karmakaze »

zaikunzhang wrote: post #24

Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today. The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue…

I've tried many Linux flavours and some BSDs. In the end I've always come back to Xfce. I haven't tried the more recent Kubuntu's though, but put it off thinking I'd migrate away from a Canonical managed OS.
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