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Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Soybean oil is mentioned in the study. A lot of people get very angry when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized, the fact is these are not lindy at all, there is no tradition that would validate their safety, these are 20th century inventions.
>when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized ??? Where are you seeing this? It's definitely controversial, but calling it "politicized" seems like a stretch.
I am equally confused. I think there is a dumb but somewhat worrying trend of people's political identity becoming so pervasive that it absorbs secondary and tertiary opinions about completely unrelated things.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#53The first thing that popped into my mind is that in the city nearest me, Chinatown was bisected by a freeway back in the 80s (opening in 1991). That'll be a bunch of new carcinogens in the air concentrated around that specific neighborhood.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are Many things that cause lung cancer other than smoking. Infact majority of people that smoke don't get Cancer (only about 30% in a group of smokers get lung cancer) Edit: I don't mean it's comforting I prefer to have it at 0/10 I am just trying to say that things that cause cancer are not as deterministic as we think.
Yes, but as far as risk factors for lung cancer, second-hand smoking is one of the better known. I don't immediately see Asian American women being exposed to additional regional air pollution, asbestos, coal soot, or radon more than others. There could be a race-linked genetic factor, but I'm not aware of Asian women that are non-American having a higher rate. So I don't see why it would be something like... aspirat…
> as far as risk factors for lung cancer, second-hand smoking is one of the better known.
The risk is real and measurable, but to put that in perspective: the CDC summary says it increases risk by 20-30%, so 130% over baseline to take the higher number https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/secondhand-smoke/health.html
For smokers, the risk is 15-30 times baseline, so 3000% over baseline for the high end https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic_info/risk_factors.htm
The article indicates a 260% increased all-factor risk for never-smoking Asian women, compared to White women. There has to be more going on than just second-hand smoke exposure.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#55A graph in the article is captioned: > A study of nearly 4,000 non-smoking women found that the share of Asian American women who developed lung cancer was more than twice that of white women. And then proceeds to list "53.4%" for Asian. Are we to believe that in a sample of "nearly 4,000 non-smoking women", over half of the Asian American women developed lung cancer? Elsewhere in the article it is said that > Among…
I think what it means, and the graph is unclear, is that of the A-A women who developed lung cancer, 53% don't smoke. It's P(non-smoking | lung cancer, ethnicity)
Correct, looking at the original document https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8530225/ - search for 53.4 in that
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
What type of cooking oil does that?
Seed oils mainly, a factor of the lower smoke point. The only suitable plant oils in this regard are olive and coconut oil - which are fruit oils. [edit] seed oils r bad skeptics can just double check - the top 3 highest smoke point oils are all fruit oils, with seed oils at a distance - with the exception of peanut oil, which is closer. The smoke point is also not the only relevant factor, the fatty acid makeup is a…
Smoke point is a measure of when obvious quantities of particles are emitted, not their chemical composition. Extra virgin olive oil has lower smoke point than refined olive oil, but it's more chemically stable under frying conditions:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20678538/
However, you're correct that seed oils are generally less stable under frying conditions than other oils.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
>when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized ??? Where are you seeing this? It's definitely controversial, but calling it "politicized" seems like a stretch.
Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable. To be clear, a segment of the online right-wing, I'm not saying literally half the population.
Can you elaborate further? I think of myself as pretty online (sadly) and I haven't heard anyone, right or left, talk about the politics of seed oils.
EDIT: should've searched first. Sigh.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/is-see...
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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
>when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized ??? Where are you seeing this? It's definitely controversial, but calling it "politicized" seems like a stretch.
I am equally confused. I think there is a dumb but somewhat worrying trend of people's political identity becoming so pervasive that it absorbs secondary and tertiary opinions about completely unrelated things.
Yes, a large segment of conservatives have taken the place that previously left-wing hippies occupied wrt skepticism of mainstream health advice, and seed oils is a major subject, I would say even iconic, with places like Reddit vehemently disagreeing and calling it anti-science or whatever. I agree that it's unfortunate, but currently this previously left-wing impulse to favor "natural", "unprocessed" products is predominantly found in right-wing circles.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#60Spending too much time in the LA metro area