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ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by _mlbt »

somenameforme wrote: post #41
next_xibalba wrote: post #27

India banned TikTok (without the option to divest) and everything was fine. And they didn't limit the ban to TikTok: "TikTok wasn’t a one-off case. Today, India has banned over 500 Chinese apps to date." [1] If ByteDance won't sell, let them shutdown. It is truly baffling to me that anyone would defend a company's right to operate freely in the U.S. when it is controlled by a brutal autocracy that is also an emerging…

In India users that had it installed could continue to use it. And downloading it in India is trivial. On iPhone it's as simple as changing your region, on Android you just need to install the APK (installer) - which TikTok makes conveniently available on their website. I learned this from a quick search of 'how to install TikTok in India' which is apparently quite the common search in India. [1] I tried to dig up so…

Doesn’t China also demand complete control of foreign apps in their country? Correct me if I’m wrong but my understanding is that the CCP demands specific changes to or outright removal of apps all the time.

Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by [deleted] »

jahewson wrote: post #47
simlevesque wrote: post #3

It never was about ByteDance. It's the Chinese government who will decide. From their point of view, the right strategic move is to shut it down. Even if every other country bans the app it doesn't impact them much. Also they hate doing things that make then look weak. If they sell, they lose their influence. If they shut down, same thing.

Not really. ByteDance is based in Singapore. They can sell it to whoever they like, but most of their operations are based in China and even if they could be sold, who in their right mind would buy that? Because it doesn’t solve the real issue - 100,000 employees in China is a dead end for any acquirer.

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Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by rascul »

jahewson wrote: post #47
simlevesque wrote: post #3

It never was about ByteDance. It's the Chinese government who will decide. From their point of view, the right strategic move is to shut it down. Even if every other country bans the app it doesn't impact them much. Also they hate doing things that make then look weak. If they sell, they lose their influence. If they shut down, same thing.

Not really. ByteDance is based in Singapore. They can sell it to whoever they like, but most of their operations are based in China and even if they could be sold, who in their right mind would buy that? Because it doesn’t solve the real issue - 100,000 employees in China is a dead end for any acquirer.

> ByteDance is based in Singapore.

Is it? Wikipedia seems to disagree:

> ByteDance Ltd. is a Chinese internet technology company headquartered in Haidian, Beijing and incorporated in the Cayman Islands.

The only mention of Singapore is in reference to launching a music service there.

Do you have information you can reference that isn't available in the Wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance

Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

#54

Post by somenameforme »

_mlbt wrote: post #51
somenameforme wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In India users that had it installed could continue to use it. And downloading it in India is trivial. On iPhone it's as simple as changing your region, on Android you just need to install the APK (installer) - which TikTok makes conveniently available on their website. I learned this from a quick search of 'how to install TikTok in India' which is apparently quite the common search in India. [1] I tried to dig up so…

Doesn’t China also demand complete control of foreign apps in their country? Correct me if I’m wrong but my understanding is that the CCP demands specific changes to or outright removal of apps all the time.

In general, yes. This [1] is the first paragraph of the first article of their constitution: "The People’s Republic of China is a socialist state under the people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants. The socialist system is the basic system of the People’s Republic of China. Disruption of the socialist system by any organization or individual is prohibited."

They are a self described democratic dictatorship with a system that openly and voluntarily chooses to sacrifice individual liberty and freedom for what they see as the collective good. That is their right as a sovereign power, but it is not a system I would like to live under. And any movement in this sort of direction is something that I think should be actively opposed.

[1] - http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/englishnpc/Constitution/node_282...

Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by tmaly »

coolbreezetft24 wrote: post #11
deadbabe wrote: post #4

It’s exciting to think that by this time next year, TikTok can be nothing more than a distant memory. RIP Vine

There will just be something else that's basically the same thing

Nothing will be the same thing. The algorithm Tiktok had in 2020 was one of a kind.

A person with a phone could go viral and reach thousands if not millions in a day.

Today, Tiktok has largely throttled the viral nature of their algorithm. You have spend money on paid advertising if you want to reach millions of people. Yes, there are still videos that get millions of views, but it is hit or miss now.

Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by Miner49er »

next_xibalba wrote: post #27

India banned TikTok (without the option to divest) and everything was fine. And they didn't limit the ban to TikTok: "TikTok wasn’t a one-off case. Today, India has banned over 500 Chinese apps to date." [1] If ByteDance won't sell, let them shutdown. It is truly baffling to me that anyone would defend a company's right to operate freely in the U.S. when it is controlled by a brutal autocracy that is also an emerging…

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Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by Miner49er »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #16

I wonder if this choice will have an effect on the upcoming US elections, with TikTok users blaming the current government for losing access to their favourite app.

They won't lose access by the election though. The courts are going to put a pause on this until it's settled in court.

Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by alcoholic_byte »

Miner49er wrote: post #56
next_xibalba wrote: post #27

India banned TikTok (without the option to divest) and everything was fine. And they didn't limit the ban to TikTok: "TikTok wasn’t a one-off case. Today, India has banned over 500 Chinese apps to date." [1] If ByteDance won't sell, let them shutdown. It is truly baffling to me that anyone would defend a company's right to operate freely in the U.S. when it is controlled by a brutal autocracy that is also an emerging…

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Hmmm......

Nice spin playing on the hacker ethos here.

Although information is in its name, it gets its full meaning from its suffix. MISinformation is the missing of information or the mis-leading of an audience by spinning purposefully false rhetoric and delivering arguments for a false narrativvve.

It is very closely related to propaganda, but with a different aim. The aim here is not to have someone look good but to destabelize and subvert.

So although it is containing information in its name, neither it nor propaganda can be labeled information.

Who would want to consume lies freely anyways?

Also, nice addendum of the first amendment btw., the right of US citizens to express their opinions is not being curtailed here. It is just a medium that is under scrutiny and, I might add, for a very very good reason.

Re: ByteDance prefers TikTok shutdown in US if legal options fail, sources say

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Post by Miner49er »

alcoholic_byte wrote: post #59
Miner49er wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hmmm...... Nice spin playing on the hacker ethos here. Although information is in its name, it gets its full meaning from its suffix. MISinformation is the missing of information or the mis-leading of an audience by spinning purposefully false rhetoric and delivering arguments for a false narrativvve. It is very closely related to propaganda, but with a different aim. The aim here is not to have someone look good but…

I'm not really spinning anything. This is likely the defense TikTok will be using in court. The 1st amendment covers the right to receive information, and it's funny you bring up propaganda because it has even been ruled it covers the right to receive foreign propaganda:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamont_v._Postmaster_General

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