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TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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Do they even have standing? The proposed "ban" is enforced on the app stores, so I could see Google or Apple have standing, if they don't want to be forced to delete an app their users like. Meanwhile tiktok.com will still work in browsers.

They almost certainly would have standing. Banning their app from the app store clearly directly affects them. But they could instead just allow people to login on the mobile site and install it as a progressive web app, instead of forcing them to use the app so they can track people better.

My understanding is that you and tantalor are mistaken. The bill explicitly covers using TikTok as a web app.

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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I kind of low key look forward to this. It's hard for me to imagine TikTok retaining even 20% of the US market share after an app store ban. But that 20% would still be a huge cultural victory for ByteDance, would be an impressive resistance. The US would really have to turn into a monster, would have to deputize a huge amount of internet services into becoming policemen to go further, and that's a horrible thing tha…

Meanwhile, China orders Apple to yank WhatsApp and Facebook apps from its app store in China, because, ya know... they can.

>China orders Apple to yank WhatsApp

Welcome to 2017.

>and Facebook

Welcome to 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...>

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

#53

Can anyone say what user data ByteDance might share with the Chinese government? Also, how is China an adversary? I thought the USA and China were trading partners.

China no longer wants to be an underdog and wants to be a super power itself, thus forming geopolitical rivalry with USA.

Ah, okay, so it's a competition, and the USA thinks it might not win because the Chinese gov might see the videos Yanks view on TikTok.

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

#54

Can anyone say what user data ByteDance might share with the Chinese government? Also, how is China an adversary? I thought the USA and China were trading partners.

So many yanks downvoting rather than answering the question.

For world leaders, you sure do fail at leading.

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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Can anyone say what user data ByteDance might share with the Chinese government? Also, how is China an adversary? I thought the USA and China were trading partners.

So many yanks downvoting rather than answering the question. For world leaders, you sure do fail at leading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40146536

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many yanks downvoting rather than answering the question. For world leaders, you sure do fail at leading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40146536

It's just bonkers.

If the USA was really a leader, then it would lead; it wouldn't need to throw its toys out of the pram when someone does something better than it can.

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China no longer wants to be an underdog and wants to be a super power itself, thus forming geopolitical rivalry with USA.

so put your big boy pants on and compete!! Don't run under grampa Biden's rocking chair and hope he doesn't glide over your tail.

Tell that to China that does not allow Facebook, Instagram and Youtube in China. They have access to 400 million americans but we can't have access to 1 billion Chinese people? China was running a long time a go

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China no longer wants to be an underdog and wants to be a super power itself, thus forming geopolitical rivalry with USA.

Ah, okay, so it's a competition, and the USA thinks it might not win because the Chinese gov might see the videos Yanks view on TikTok.

Tell China to let Facebook, Instagram, Youtube in China and then it will be a fair competition.

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

so put your big boy pants on and compete!! Don't run under grampa Biden's rocking chair and hope he doesn't glide over your tail.

Tell that to China that does not allow Facebook, Instagram and Youtube in China. They have access to 400 million americans but we can't have access to 1 billion Chinese people? China was running a long time a go

Western platforms were losing to Chinese ones in PRC before they were blocked. When hammer came down to enforce onerous human moderation on ALL platforms in PRC, western platforms chose not to comply, because adding layer of human moderation at the time wasn't worth the cost/optics. This was a time when PRC domestic platforms had 10,000s of humans in the loop and western ones had essentially none. Why do you think Facebook and Google both had internal projects to re-enter PRC market after they scaled up human moderation in west? That's what fair competition is - facebook, google et al blocking what PRC gov wants blocked and handing over info on dissident according to who PRC says are dissidents. All expensive things PRC platforms has to do. AKA "fair" competitive enironment. Thinking western platforms should compete in PRC without following PRC laws is insipid. Fair would also be the TikTok/Oracle JV where Oracle responsible for US interests, like PRC has for Microsoft. Nevermind half the reason western platforms were blocked was because they were unmoderated platforms that helped organize extremist attacks that caused 2009 minority riots. It's one thing to block TikTok if TikTok allowed 9/11 and refused to do anything about it, it's another when they do what every other US platform does, but just better.

Re: TikTok CEO expects to defeat US ban: 'We aren't going anywhere'

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post #51
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They almost certainly would have standing. Banning their app from the app store clearly directly affects them. But they could instead just allow people to login on the mobile site and install it as a progressive web app, instead of forcing them to use the app so they can track people better.

My understanding is that you and tantalor are mistaken. The bill explicitly covers using TikTok as a web app.

How would that be enforced??
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