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Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Re: Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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> how do we tackle such issues without sacrificing our values. Recognize that "intellectual property" and restriction of knowledge is incompatible with our values. Any publicly funded research should be part of the public domain and published to the world online. Publicly funded universities should be required to post lectures and assignments to the world online. Shorten patents and copyright. Eliminate math/software…

I'll voice the obvious objection to this: what happens if you share everything you do, then someone else stands on your shoulders and invents a world-changing technology, then refuses to share it back and completely ignores your patent claims? Now they dominate you economically and perhaps militarily.

If your own engineers and scientists already have access to almost all knowledge in their field, it seems unlikely that an invention would be so novel that they couldn't reverse engineer it.

You could have military engineering kept to a more select group, but independent reinvention by researchers or commercial entities should void any secrecy. Otherwise you get silliness like imported Chinese commodity thermal cameras being better than American ones because of ITAR. Or shutting down hobbyist radar projects; if a hobbyist can do it for fun, adversarial military engineers probably can too.

The other defense of course is to base our economy on making things. Pour more resources into manufacturing, industrial automation, and standardization so that when a new technology comes along, we can scale it up. An economy based on knowledge restriction is precarious exactly because others can simply ignore our restrictions. We're hamstringing ourselves and it's an illiberal policy.

Re: Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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I wonder how much of that is due to Covid, but I remember some stat like the number of people learning Chinese since 2008 was down at least 50% even before Covid, and that includes people studying in their home country.

The covid response by China's authoritarian dreamers is what did it.

Yeah, I was there for three months right before the end of restrictions. Not very excited to go back after that.

Re: Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Don't really see why that's surprising. If you are from: - China - Russia - Iran - North-Korea - Pakistan And some other countries, you should absolutely expect full to be under full scrutiny if you plan on working with anything related to research and development (which includes academia), infrastructure, or anything that poses a national security risk. The cold hard truth is that ( especially ) those nations send o…

It's not surprise. It's concerning. Innocent people are paying for policies they have no control over.

Re: Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Australia is full of CCPs, especially corrupted officials, Canada and Australia are popular destinations because it is first world country with immigration policy. (especially their kids don't study well and are spoiled, it is not a problem for Australia apparently) Actually most students go to US are amongst the best students from China, either top students or really hardworking students, and most of them will be ex…

Foreign students pay 2-3x as much as Australians do to study in Australia. Allowing rich Chinese children to study abroad contributes a lot to Australia's economy and those high fees subsidise everyone else which allows keeping local tuition low, which is why Australia is so open to them.

not only students, Australia welcomes every dollar. I don't blame them. It is a beautiful country, and I would go there and live in a mansion if I have enough money. The side effect is the property price will increase, but property owners can make a lot money.

Re: Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Australia is full of CCPs, especially corrupted officials, Canada and Australia are popular destinations because it is first world country with immigration policy. (especially their kids don't study well and are spoiled, it is not a problem for Australia apparently) Actually most students go to US are amongst the best students from China, either top students or really hardworking students, and most of them will be ex…

Do you think Xi Jinpings daughter studied in the US due to merit or corruption?

I don't think his daughter would have bad scores, in general, those kids would actually do well in school, not spoiled. but I also don't think many (not only Xi's daughter) political offsprings are qualified for the best universities if they were evaluated the same way as commons.
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