I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service • Hacker News Board

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by aprilnya » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 10:07 AM UTC

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #39

eskibars wrote: post #27

I bought xn--mn8h9e.ws a couple years ago just for fun. I think it's fun to own an emoji domain, but what I can say definitely say is that it's still a bad idea to own one if you want to get emails to it. Popular thick email clients still struggle with utf8 domains and I've fiddled around with several email providers that just have complete failures trying to send as well. I tried pasting the email address in a bunch…

According to the IETF standard for IDNA it is invalid. https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/security-and-stability-ad... https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/idn-emojis-domai...

gTLDs have to follow that, ccTLDs not necessarily (is what I got from comments on the original discussion of this blog post.)

Even if emoji was invalid, unicode in general is valid in domain names, and should be converted to punycode. Local domains exist too.

It’s not the email client’s job to decide whether a domain is valid, it’s DNS’.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by pferde » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 10:07 AM UTC

fragmede wrote: post #48

eskibars wrote: post #27

I bought xn--mn8h9e.ws a couple years ago just for fun. I think it's fun to own an emoji domain, but what I can say definitely say is that it's still a bad idea to own one if you want to get emails to it. Popular thick email clients still struggle with utf8 domains and I've fiddled around with several email providers that just have complete failures trying to send as well. I tried pasting the email address in a bunch…

HN's emoji stripper is intentional. some are supported, eg; ↖↙↗↘ but others are not, so we're reduced to using things like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to communicate

I don't feel like emoji add anything substantial to a textual conversation, it's mostly useless fluff. I don't miss it on HN, so I disagree with your use of "reduced" here. :)

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by EGreg » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 10:23 AM UTC

berkes wrote: post #37

EGreg wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, this is just dogma that gets repeated on HN. It's obvious to any person who honestly thinks about it, that having a third party in control of your DNS (i.e. what IP addresses it resolves to) means that your entire site can be rugpulled from under you. If it becomes big enough. For example: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/is-njalla-still-legit.1521... Now, you can say, "most people don't care, they just have a…

Blockchain only shifts this problem one up. You keep saying "your website" but any successful website will be "our website". There'll be an organization, company, community behind it. And now "the person(s) with the private keys" can rugpull it. Or do whatever they want. Yes. Maybe A DAO could solve that. But that means everything, including domain names is in there from the get-go. Which isn't how this works on prac…

The whole point is to NOT HAVE “a person with the private keys” to the entire database.

Each participant should be able to take only the actions as themselves, and affect a small part of the network. In aggregate they together effectuate the evolution of the network.

That is exactly the point — that we need blockchain software for entire communities rather than individuals!

Look at https://intercoin.org/applications

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by berkes » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 10:27 AM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #53

berkes wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blockchain only shifts this problem one up. You keep saying "your website" but any successful website will be "our website". There'll be an organization, company, community behind it. And now "the person(s) with the private keys" can rugpull it. Or do whatever they want. Yes. Maybe A DAO could solve that. But that means everything, including domain names is in there from the get-go. Which isn't how this works on prac…

The whole point is to NOT HAVE “a person with the private keys” to the entire database. Each participant should be able to take only the actions as themselves, and affect a small part of the network. In aggregate they together effectuate the evolution of the network. That is exactly the point — that we need blockchain software for entire communities rather than individuals! Look at https://intercoin.org/applications

How does that help the organisation (community) manage their single domain?

For example: who controls the intercoin.org domain? I'm quite sure it's a combination of trust and hierarchy and as fallback a society with laws and lawyers and law-enforcement.

Which, IMO is "good enough" for nearly all situations.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by groestl » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 10:30 AM UTC

carstenhag wrote: post #41

boomboomsubban wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it amusing thar about a sixth of the comments are on how couples should handle their finances. Nobody could have guessed that.

Also found a comment from myself warning of using this anywhere near Germany (tldr kz stands for concentration camp). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26423117

As a German speaker, first association when reading the title of this post. "Uuuuh, that does not fly in Germany."

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by geek_at » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 10:32 AM UTC

carstenhag wrote: post #41

boomboomsubban wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it amusing thar about a sixth of the comments are on how couples should handle their finances. Nobody could have guessed that.

Also found a comment from myself warning of using this anywhere near Germany (tldr kz stands for concentration camp). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26423117

> never use abbrevations like SS, NS, AH, HH, HJ in Germany

Very true, also for Austria. When I was in the military and we got our Steyr AUG A1 we had to know the serial number by heart so we could find our gun when mixed up. We also had to report our serial number when asked by instructors. Mine started with "HJ18" which was by random chance but always wondered why these wouldn't be taken out before production because of the obvious nazi code

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by karma_pharmer » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 11:02 AM UTC

fragmede wrote: post #48

eskibars wrote: post #27

I bought xn--mn8h9e.ws a couple years ago just for fun. I think it's fun to own an emoji domain, but what I can say definitely say is that it's still a bad idea to own one if you want to get emails to it. Popular thick email clients still struggle with utf8 domains and I've fiddled around with several email providers that just have complete failures trying to send as well. I tried pasting the email address in a bunch…

HN's emoji stripper is intentional. some are supported, eg; ↖↙↗↘ but others are not, so we're reduced to using things like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to communicate

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Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by 4ggr0 » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 11:09 AM UTC

fragmede wrote: post #48

eskibars wrote: post #27

I bought xn--mn8h9e.ws a couple years ago just for fun. I think it's fun to own an emoji domain, but what I can say definitely say is that it's still a bad idea to own one if you want to get emails to it. Popular thick email clients still struggle with utf8 domains and I've fiddled around with several email providers that just have complete failures trying to send as well. I tried pasting the email address in a bunch…

HN's emoji stripper is intentional. some are supported, eg; ↖↙↗↘ but others are not, so we're reduced to using things like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to communicate

Pretty sure it's because Emojis are Unicode and HN only supports ASCII.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35524948

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by Propelloni » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 11:34 AM UTC

pferde wrote: post #52

fragmede wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN's emoji stripper is intentional. some are supported, eg; ↖↙↗↘ but others are not, so we're reduced to using things like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to communicate

I don't feel like emoji add anything substantial to a textual conversation, it's mostly useless fluff. I don't miss it on HN, so I disagree with your use of "reduced" here. :)

I see what you did there :LOL:

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by Dylan16807 » Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 12:18 PM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #58

fragmede wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN's emoji stripper is intentional. some are supported, eg; ↖↙↗↘ but others are not, so we're reduced to using things like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to communicate

Pretty sure it's because Emojis are Unicode and HN only supports ASCII. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35524948

I don't know how you got that idea but it's completely wrong.

HN allows 99% of Unicode.