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Londoners see what a scientist looks like up close in 50 photographs

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Re: Londoners see what a scientist looks like up close in 50 photographs

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I think that this deserves to be unburied

> As for the choice to highlight black and brown people in this project that others in the GP are complaining about.. maybe they’re under represented in these fields in the UK and the government wants to fix that?

This is not the real problem here. Black scientists are perfectly okay.

The problem is lying to children about the scientific career, specially if those children are in a minority.

Let me explain a thing; in 99% of the cases, when somebody says "we need to inspire children to became scientists", they are not saying what we could think.

What they are selling is not "science", is "science courses". And both things are profoundly different.

Re: Londoners see what a scientist looks like up close in 50 photographs

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post #51

I think that this deserves to be unburied > As for the choice to highlight black and brown people in this project that others in the GP are complaining about.. maybe they’re under represented in these fields in the UK and the government wants to fix that? This is not the real problem here. Black scientists are perfectly okay. The problem is lying to children about the scientific career, specially if those children ar…

... In general, Universities have all the incentives to sell as much science courses as possible without destroying the demand and market value. As we are swimming in problems in search of talent this is not necessarily bad.

But "selling science courses" is profoundly different than "selling a career in science". As most of this children will discover too late, there is not a career waiting at the end of the road. The grant money is in a vault, and the politicians keep the keys.

Re: Londoners see what a scientist looks like up close in 50 photographs

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I think that this deserves to be unburied > As for the choice to highlight black and brown people in this project that others in the GP are complaining about.. maybe they’re under represented in these fields in the UK and the government wants to fix that? This is not the real problem here. Black scientists are perfectly okay. The problem is lying to children about the scientific career, specially if those children ar…

... In general, Universities have all the incentives to sell as much science courses as possible without destroying the demand and market value. As we are swimming in problems in search of talent this is not necessarily bad. But "selling science courses" is profoundly different than "selling a career in science". As most of this children will discover too late, there is not a career waiting at the end of the road. Th…

(disclaimer, this is Europe centric and may not apply to US. Your mileage may vary)

Lets talk about politicians. For politicians the best outcome possible in the game, is to keep as much as possible of that money for themselves, unless is useful to promote their own careers somehow.

They will use every single trick in the book to say "we invested lotta money in science" so they are justified to took it from the vault, but then use the money on other things. Allocating the same money to three different ministries is a good way to round the budget books.

How they do it?,

1) Putting arbitrary obstacles so scientists will never reach the money.

Some common tricks include:

* 1.1 Arbitrary narrow intervals of time where people can apply to the job. In the past I received a lot of job offers after the application interval was closed for example.

* 1.2 Feast and famine. Releasing no new offers in months, or years, followed by a flood of offers at the same time in arbitrary periods where applying to more than one job is specifically forbidden.

* 1.3 Peekaboo. Lack of a common billboard where all the jobs are advertised.

* 1.4 Job offer shaped like a puzzle piece. That is the worse offence and would require a more extensive explanation. This includes lots of constrains. Like the typical constrains by age for example (The same constrains that are specifically forbidden in the constitution). Is impossible to hire a specialist with a complicated pool of unrelated requisites that must be fulfilled previously, unless they are finely knit around an previously known candidate, and they know it.

* 1.5 Bureaucracy overload to apply.

etc...

2) Spreading and repeating as much as possible the idea that science "is vocational and funny"

So scientists should accept the idea that they are privileged to be "volunteering" or "making a better world" or doing "citizen science". Other names for: 'You work for free while I eat the lobster with the money that I would need to "spent" in paying you otherwise'.

Re: Londoners see what a scientist looks like up close in 50 photographs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans struggle deeply with their axiom of whiteness. Whiteness in America comes from the unification of caucasians from broad cultural and economic backgrounds against the black slaves that were being raped, tortured and dehumanized systematically over generations. And instead of rectifying the problem by dismantling the concept of whiteness (because it reenforces the power of racial division & hierarchy), it get…

> maybe they’re under represented in these fields in the UK and the government wants to fix that? Or maybe they're not , and this is a representative sample? Academics move around a lot: seemingly half the faculty at my local university are immigrants, and a good chunk of the graduates become emigrants. You might be right, but I get unreasonably annoyed when people insist that the existence of women or members of min…

Fair point, that was indeed a biased assumption. Cheers.
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