If just one of them had improved ventilation, maybe some of us might have felt safe enough to give a shit.
it’s been 4 years, it’s time to move on
Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if you can't work efficiently in the space you give to your workers to work in how do you expect them to work? I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that most CEOs and COOs use private offices as private, perpetual conference room space. I know my own executive manager has office space he barely uses because he's in conference rooms all day.
Privacy for me but none for thee?
Code monkeys need conference rooms twice a month
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#53A lot of business executives fall into the demographic that heavily invests into commercial real estate, which is facing some substantial depreciation. Telling everyone they need to get back to the office would help to keep those prices up. To everyone else, they have no incentive to keep fighting traffic every day (and paying for it) to go to an uncomfortable place full of maybe awful people.
I think it’s more that the big asset holders spent marketing money in CEO monthly magazine and it was effective.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've said this in other places, but as a _manager_ it's much nicer to work in the office, in person. That gets more true the higher up the management chain you go. Managers spend most of their time in meetings. Meetings suck over video chat. This is the entire reason CEOs (and pretty much everyone between them and line employees) would rather everyone come back to work. It makes their workday more pleasant.
Meetings tend to be some the least productive activities, especially when everything "discussed" could have been sent out as an email (which can be read remotely).
Depends on the type of meeting. Where I work, we have a short 15-minute meeting every morning that's done over video call, just to see who's working that day and make sure everyone is on the same page. The CEO constantly does screen-share meetings with clients so they can show him what they're trying to do with the product, and he can watch the recording later and break it into tasks to give to us. I'd say it works pretty well. Without this the product would lose out on a lot of valuable feedback.
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#57If just one of them had improved ventilation, maybe some of us might have felt safe enough to give a shit.
it’s been 4 years, it’s time to move on
it's time to move on from what, exactly? from the global realization that maybe the idea of forcing people to come to work or school when they have any sort of contagious respiratory disease isn't the best idea?
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#58I have ADHD and am autistic so loud open floor plan offices are a challenge. I'm in the category of people most likely to benefit from remote. Honestly it's been a much bigger challenge trying to collaborate and connect with coworkers in the new world than trying to cope with an office. People often don't perceive you as an actual human if you've only ever been a video square to them. And quick collaboration just doe…
We do 3 days in person, 2 days from home. Seems like a good split.
The ideal I think is 2 days in person, 2 days from home.
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#59Offices or remote, nothing is perfect, it's a tradeoff. And the habits and practices are far from settled at this point. I think that most companies are doing remote wrong, too many meetings, not enough async communication, not enough written communication overall. The open source world is a good example of the possible efficiency.
everyone is different, but remote is perfect for me and most (but not all) of the people I know
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#60Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…
It makes it bearable to live more cheaply in the suburbs and make the long drive to downtown only a couple times a week. Live in MCOL suburb and work a couple days in HCOL city seems like a fair compromise to me.
Really depends on the area though. In LA for example, you'd have to move 1-2 hours away to get into MCOL or LOCOL.
What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems.
I get this wouldn't work as well for those with families because being away for that long is tough, but this would be great for say juniors and seniors with greater flexibility. It also solves some of the other issues, ie I could move to an MCOL and just fly in once a quarter to work together with everyone. The "retreat" aspect of it would also incentivize more people to be there.