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The dumbphone boom is real

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Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#51
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I tried a dumbphone but it was a frustrating experience. I recently bought myself a cheap old Android device and installed LineageOS on it. I then removed the play store and browser, and installed a handful of apps that are useful and that I don't get sucked into (personal email, whatsapp, maps, kindle). If I need to (e.g. for a trip) I can load the browser and whatever apps back on It's the only thing that has worke…

I've done basically the same thing, but without lineage involved. Most / all of what you say there can be achieved with stock Android. One can download F-droid, disable the play store and google services, disable 15 other things, disable the stock browser, and do the same little trick of having no browser, and then easily downloading one occasionally if there's an actual need, then re-deleting. This works for me if I…

Thanks - that is a good point. I mentioned lineage only to say I was initially put off because I didn't want to spend lots on a new phone; but this way I was able to get a 2018 model running the latest version of Android.

After some more research, I think it is possible to achieve the same thing on iOS using management profiles.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#52

My love for the dumbphone has nothing to do with disconnecting from distractions. I just want a small fucking phone again.

>I just want a small fucking phone again. Foldables are now the best of both worlds now if you're open to this relatively niche tech and some of the compromises it brings.

Foldables are just as big as regular phones when folded. The Google Pixel Fold is the same size are most Pixel phones.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#53
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too thick and heavy, compared to how small and light smartphones used to be.

What do you realistically expect? None of the major phone makers will go back to making 2009 era sized phones just to cater to you and the 3 other people who like them, because the market has spoken with their wallets unilaterally in favor of large phones, hence why most manufacturers have dropped small phones altogether, whether you like it or not. Since nothing is ever perfect at satisfying everyone, choices in lif…

I disagree that foldables are the best compromise, because they are thicker folded than a regular smartphone, which is inconvenient for pocketing, and what’s worse they are heavier, while the screen is also not smaller than a regular phone unfolded.

For example, the Samsung Flip5, one of the smallest foldables, is 15.1 mm thick folded and weighs 187 g, while the regular iPhone 15 is only 7.8 mm thick and weighs only 171 g, while also being marginally narrower (0.3 mm). For those who find the regular iPhone to large, too wide, and too heavy, the Flip5 is not an improvement.

Just for comparison, the iPhone SE 2016 was a full 13 mm (or 18%) narrower, less than half as thick as the Flip5 folded, while only being 45% taller (or 25% shorter than the Flip5 unfolded), and weighed only 113 g.

Small phones are also about “thumbability”, that is, the ability to be used one-handed with the thumb being able to comfortably reach across the screen. The foldables are of zero help there.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#54
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too thick and heavy, compared to how small and light smartphones used to be.

What do you realistically expect? None of the major phone makers will go back to making 2009 era sized phones just to cater to you and the 3 other people who like them, because the market has spoken with their wallets unilaterally in favor of large phones, hence why most manufacturers have dropped small phones altogether, whether you like it or not. Since nothing is ever perfect at satisfying everyone, choices in lif…

Another one of the 3 other people here who like small phones.

This exact same economic model of an oligopoly only offering larger and more expensive models has been done before. I'm pretty sure the big 3 automakers were also saying that 'the market has spoken', right up until the Japanese ate their lunch.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you realistically expect? None of the major phone makers will go back to making 2009 era sized phones just to cater to you and the 3 other people who like them, because the market has spoken with their wallets unilaterally in favor of large phones, hence why most manufacturers have dropped small phones altogether, whether you like it or not. Since nothing is ever perfect at satisfying everyone, choices in lif…

Another one of the 3 other people here who like small phones. This exact same economic model of an oligopoly only offering larger and more expensive models has been done before. I'm pretty sure the big 3 automakers were also saying that 'the market has spoken', right up until the Japanese ate their lunch.

>only offering larger and more expensive models

Where? The phone makers have been also shipping smaller phones until they had to scale back production and cut them out completely because nobody was buying them. You and two other people buying them is not a market share worth catering for and keeping production lines busy for.

You have to accept you're a minority here and not a profitable one.

Cheap phones are also large now BTW, so nothing to do with pushing expletive models. Even 100 Euro phones are still over 6 inches. Because that's what the majority wants, large phones, and voted with their wallets.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#56

My love for the dumbphone has nothing to do with disconnecting from distractions. I just want a small fucking phone again.

Yes, small is the best. Currently I use a Palm Phone which is the perfect size. But of course discontinued. The market needs a lot more choices in that size.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#57
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you realistically expect? None of the major phone makers will go back to making 2009 era sized phones just to cater to you and the 3 other people who like them, because the market has spoken with their wallets unilaterally in favor of large phones, hence why most manufacturers have dropped small phones altogether, whether you like it or not. Since nothing is ever perfect at satisfying everyone, choices in lif…

I disagree that foldables are the best compromise, because they are thicker folded than a regular smartphone, which is inconvenient for pocketing, and what’s worse they are heavier, while the screen is also not smaller than a regular phone unfolded. For example, the Samsung Flip5, one of the smallest foldables, is 15.1 mm thick folded and weighs 187 g, while the regular iPhone 15 is only 7.8 mm thick and weighs only…

>Small phones are also about “thumbability”, that is, the ability to be used one-handed with the thumb being able to comfortably reach across the screen. The foldables are of zero help there.

Foldables have the external screen for "thumbability". And the large internal display for contant consumption and multitasking. Therefore best compromise.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#58
(sorry, this is long. i took a few minutes to write this down.)

I never owned a Google/Apple device and never used one for more than a few minutes in my life.

I currently use my pinephone exclusively since my +15y old 2G dumb phone broke last year (i broke it while fiddling with it, duh. it would likely have lasted another 15y. it still had its first battery which lasted 5d with moderate phone usage). Before pinephone i used a +15y old 2G flip phone (it had its first battery and lasted +7d) and i loved it, which replaced my htc hd mini and htc hd2 around 2015 (fun times, sigh).

I hate the modern concept of phone and observing the long-lasting effect of addiction on people's social and mental capabilities reminds me how important a mind free from distraction and addiction is. I know it takes a lot of self-discipline to own such a thing and not get sucked into all the dark patterns that lurk you into addiction and drain your brain (and pocket, ultimately, as this is what it's made for).

Every now and then HN features some "i quit my smart{phone,watch} and it was hard" post and commenters romanticize about it, yet i doubt most of them grasp the real implications. Every now and then I whitness the effect of detox/cold turkey with "smart"{watch,phone} on people (usually children, which cant't know better. they are exposed to digital media way too much with way too little guidance/regulation by adults who are exposed too much and who don't seem to know better as well) and it's the classic symptoms.

Unlike other additctive things, while addictive, modern phones seem useful/beneficial at the same time, which is used to justiy excessive use. It's a fallacy, i don't see it. Software run on these devices is not meant to be useful (in the generic sense) but to keep/make you a customer (and they use lot of psy trick).

Do I miss out on things because i don't take part in the "modern" way of interacting with people/companies/state? due to my self-impossed "accessibility issue" (not using "apps", that is)? Sure, but I think * people forgetting my birthday because their facebook app didn't remind them (because I don't provide data to facebook) are dumb, * banks who don't provide any other second factor for auth than their Google/Apple apps are dumb, * (nothing to complain about state here yet, but will probably come later)

To me this just reveals the brokenness of some aspects of social interaction and economy as the exclusion very well applies to elderly people as well (who even struggte with using a computer, so they miss out on even more that can't be done in a purely offline way).

And i'm not even taking into account the macroscopic political aspects of driving social life, state affairs and economy more and more into the walled garden duopoly that is Google/Apple.

Nowadays, Nokia branded HMD dumb phones are available (i have a 4G 2660 flip here, works ok'ish).

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another one of the 3 other people here who like small phones. This exact same economic model of an oligopoly only offering larger and more expensive models has been done before. I'm pretty sure the big 3 automakers were also saying that 'the market has spoken', right up until the Japanese ate their lunch.

>only offering larger and more expensive models Where? The phone makers have been also shipping smaller phones until they had to scale back production and cut them out completely because nobody was buying them. You and two other people buying them is not a market share worth catering for and keeping production lines busy for. You have to accept you're a minority here and not a profitable one. Cheap phones are also la…

The iPhone mini sold more units than some Android models, and for example magnitudes more than the Fairphone. Apple decided it’s beneath them, but that doesn’t mean it’s not economically viable.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#60
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>only offering larger and more expensive models Where? The phone makers have been also shipping smaller phones until they had to scale back production and cut them out completely because nobody was buying them. You and two other people buying them is not a market share worth catering for and keeping production lines busy for. You have to accept you're a minority here and not a profitable one. Cheap phones are also la…

The iPhone mini sold more units than some Android models, and for example magnitudes more than the Fairphone. Apple decided it’s beneath them, but that doesn’t mean it’s not economically viable.

Comparing iPhones sales to Fair phones is like apples to oranges.
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