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Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

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Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

#51

I finally switched to Kagi last month after reading a bunch of HN comments that boiled down to "trust me, it's worth it." And now I'm here to say "trust me, it's worth it."

I love that you can pin, raise or lower results from specific websites. They also set it up so you can see popular raise/lower and pins. It's wonderful. Trust me too, it's worth it. ~850 searches a month here.

Also, as always, a great potential for abuse :(

Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only feels that way because search has been free essentially forever. But think -- really think -- about how much value you get out of search. Like, if you didn't have search, would you even be able to use the web? I think $10/mo for something I critically rely on several tens of times a day is a bargain! Certainly it might be hard to sell search at $10/mo when people can get by at $0/mo. But that isn't the same t…

> Like, if you didn't have search, would you even be able to use the web? It was fairly common to use the web before people used Google, or even Altavista.

The web had such a size that a catalog like Yahoo or Moz could cover a significant part of it. (I remember how Netscape was released, and how cool it was compared to Mosaic.)

Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

#53

I recently heard of SearXNG and I use it instead now. Where I live $10 is a lot of money, more than it's worth to me especially considering I use LLMs a lot now instead. I find I search a lot less now. And I like the way SearXNG is self-hosted. You can configure and prioritise a lot. And it can even search torrent sites etc. I used to think Kagi had their own index but as far as I've heard most of it is actually meta…

They do have their own index which is used to detect how many ads the website has etc and for small web / blog searches, but they use meta results to have more results.

Also, they do have integration with multiple LLMs - ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Mistral and their own

Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

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I really like Kagi and this is probably Apple’s fault but the requirement to install a safari extension which then hijacks your default search is very janky and is my #1 complaint. Any reason it can’t just be added as a search engine?

Even on other browsers, you need an extension if you want search in private browsing mode to work, since the private tabs/windows don't have access to your Kagi signin cookie. I generally just use DuckDuckGo when I open a private window, though, to avoid needing another extension.

isn't that a feature? kagi search requires sign-in, so it's not private and should not be used in a private browsing session.

Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

#56

I finally switched to Kagi last month after reading a bunch of HN comments that boiled down to "trust me, it's worth it." And now I'm here to say "trust me, it's worth it."

To illustrate how good kagi is, here's the things it's not as good at (for me): 1) the weather widget doesn't show precipitation chances in the future, only for today 2) historical queries like "newspaper articles on interest rates from 1/1/2008" are subpar compared to Google. Probably related to the recency of their index. 3) hyperlocal queries that rely on contextual information like location need to have that info…

I am a huge fan of Kagi, been using it for 6+ months now as my “main” search engine. However, I find that queries in my native language (Swedish) results in way less accurate results than if the query was in English.

I would still recommend it to anyone, it’s heaps better than anything else.

Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

#57

I finally switched to Kagi last month after reading a bunch of HN comments that boiled down to "trust me, it's worth it." And now I'm here to say "trust me, it's worth it."

I just don't want another monthly payment. I know it's good etc, but I just don't want it. I _really_ don't

Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

#59
post #58

Why is sales tax being applied now? Is there some new tax law or is Kagi offering a new benefit that requires taxation?

Every company is legally required to collect sales tax above certain threshold (defined by each jurisdiction). Kagi passed the threshold in most places and now needs to start collecting it.

Re: Introducing Kagi Search's New Design

#60
post #16

That's some super steep pricing

It only feels that way because search has been free essentially forever. But think -- really think -- about how much value you get out of search. Like, if you didn't have search, would you even be able to use the web? I think $10/mo for something I critically rely on several tens of times a day is a bargain! Certainly it might be hard to sell search at $10/mo when people can get by at $0/mo. But that isn't the same t…

No, it feels that way because music is a monthly service, any media is a monthly service cost, backups are monthly service cost, news are a monthly service cost, VPN is a monthly service cost, internet is of course a monthly service cost, password management is a monthly service cost, anti-malware/AV is a monthly service cost, ...this list just goes on and on.

And they want $10/month for unlimited searches full well and knowing $5/300 isn't even a reasonable bracket for half of us.

It's steep, and we're all swimming in in these costs.

$5/unlimited would be more reasonable, but it still piles on all these SaaS costs that everyone now uses. Gotta grow grow grow grow you know. Capitalism is great!

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