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PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by Nullabillity »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #35
oneplane wrote: post #9

This is the best way to conclude a project like this, I wish more clear cut "this is the end" choices were made. An ecosystem with zombie projects isn't healthy.

> I've been giving less and less attention to PiVPN, and the desire to keep up with it is no longer what it once was. I wonder if financial/monetary incentive would change this. I don't think it would personally (because putting a value on your free time/mental load/time you can spend with your loved ones doing something else away from the PC is precious) On the flip side... $500/mo? $1k/mo? $5k/mo? I'm sure most pro…

You could probably get someone, but would you get someone good (competent, trustworthy, etc)?

Perhaps Jia Tan is looking for a new gig.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by planb »

wolverine876 wrote: post #48
planb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is dangerous. There are many „Jia Tans“ out there who would love to continue maintenance of those projects with the full community.

There are accidents on the highway, planes crash, fires in buildings, etc. Let's reason about Jia Tan - a problem, not a danger to all of FOSS - not, like everything else these days, just embrace ignorant fears. It's cool to destroy social trust, to deny it and abandon it. The counterargument is right in front of your nose - the incredible, infinite, world-changing world of FOSS. Think of all those amazing projects,…

This is not what I meant. But I prefer a fork of an abandoned project which needs to gain new trust to be installed instead of a new release pushed through an auto update after 3 years that installs malware.

The parent comment was not about someone from the community taking over (which to be honest was the case in the xz story) but about posting the project on a „projects without maintenance“ site for any random person to take control.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#53

Post by gamesbrainiac »

Hamuko wrote: post #50

Anyone got a recommendation for a router with Wireguard support baked in? I've been running PiVPN on a separate box but since I need a new router anyways and it's not going to be supported, that might be a viable replacement.

GLiNet routers have that. So do the Asus ROG routers, but they don't have NAT acceleration.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by spr-alex »

Hamuko wrote: post #50

Anyone got a recommendation for a router with Wireguard support baked in? I've been running PiVPN on a separate box but since I need a new router anyways and it's not going to be supported, that might be a viable replacement.

You can give us a try, https://github.com/spr-networks/super, https://supernetworks.org/. Wireguard is well integrated. We also have a tailscale plugin, and more vpn plugins on the way

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#55

Post by ssl-3 »

Nullabillity wrote: post #51
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been giving less and less attention to PiVPN, and the desire to keep up with it is no longer what it once was. I wonder if financial/monetary incentive would change this. I don't think it would personally (because putting a value on your free time/mental load/time you can spend with your loved ones doing something else away from the PC is precious) On the flip side... $500/mo? $1k/mo? $5k/mo? I'm sure most pro…

You could probably get someone , but would you get someone good (competent, trustworthy, etc)? Perhaps Jia Tan is looking for a new gig.

>You could probably get someone, but would you get someone good (competent, trustworthy, etc)?

The same could be asked of people who work on open projects for free, could it not?

Is a financial reward (or lack of such reward), in and of itself, some sort of implicit indicator of the quality of the person putting forth the effort?

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by nickjj »

This really goes to show you how valuable a good experience / API is.

PiVPN is so easy to use. You run 1 command and pass in the name of the config to generate and you're done. Now you can take that config and use it client side.

I've used it on Debian servers (not a Raspberry Pi) and it's been flawless to onboard a bunch of folks into using a VPN (work related).

IMO there's no way this project will fail, someone will fork it.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#57

Post by opello »

glitchcrab wrote: post #37
bartonfink wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want someone else to run it so you can just be part of a community? Seems selfish.

That's not what they meant at all, don't be obtuse. The community exists around the project (in this case the repo and associated website etc). If you fork it then you have to hope that the community follows you to your fork and that then everyone coalesces around it. This isn't guaranteed to work though, so passing the existing project onto a new maintainer is a much better way of retaining the existing community. T…

The earlier comment is concerned for the users being orphaned by the project they used. The project is concerned with protecting the trust the users placed in the project by using it.

To trivialize the concern of the project seems worse because it prioritizes convenience in a particularly sticky area (security/privacy) as well as forcing a less informed choice on the user (who they are trusting).

There's probably a nice parallel here where we consider the NRL's role in Tor and how FOSS practices, EFF funding, and transparency meant it preserved user trust.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by Nullabillity »

ssl-3 wrote: post #55
Nullabillity wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could probably get someone , but would you get someone good (competent, trustworthy, etc)? Perhaps Jia Tan is looking for a new gig.

>You could probably get someone, but would you get someone good (competent, trustworthy, etc)? The same could be asked of people who work on open projects for free, could it not? Is a financial reward (or lack of such reward), in and of itself, some sort of implicit indicator of the quality of the person putting forth the effort?

> Is a financial reward (or lack of such reward), in and of itself, some sort of implicit indicator of the quality of the person putting forth the effort?

It is an implicit indicator of how much that person cares about the project.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by opello »

Hamuko wrote: post #50

Anyone got a recommendation for a router with Wireguard support baked in? I've been running PiVPN on a separate box but since I need a new router anyways and it's not going to be supported, that might be a viable replacement.

Ubiquiti UDM-Pro has it, but I'm not sure how they're regarded in popular opinion these days. I've had good luck with everything but the PoE on mine, and they gave me a free injector to fix that.
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