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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by 7bit »

pinkgolem wrote: post #9
summarity wrote: post #5

> cultivate up to three marijuana plants at home I give it 3 microseconds until every single new rental contract / landlord prohibits this (and consumption). Also, here’s an article with slightly more info on limits and prohibited places: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-celebrates-legal-cannabis-posse...

Not sure if a landlord is able to dissalow this, as it does not damage the rental property i would be surprised if he is allowed to forbid it

Landlords can't forbid smokingo they certsinly vannot forbid growing Marihuana plants.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by computerfriend »

treprinum wrote: post #19
yunohn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience in Europe, the primary roadblock is the controlling moralistic conservatism exhibited by critics like those quoted in the article.

How about the horrible smell produced by those who smoke? It's super reckless to expose others to negative side-effects by somebody who can't control themselves and must smoke.

It is already illegal to smoke indoors in most of Germany.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by hkwerf »

pinkgolem wrote: post #42
hkwerf wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. There are further limits on the size of harvests, making growing at home pretty much infeasible. 2. German rental law is very restrictive. Essentially, for most purposes, you are the master of the place you inhabit. Such a restriction will probably not be legal and thus non-binding, even if stated in the contract.

I am living in Germany and am planning to grow some. I do not see 1) at all, laws are pretty reasonable all around

My comments were based on the expert opinions given during the legislative process. I personally don't plan to grow.

Good to hear that it's okay for you. :)

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by spqrr »

treprinum wrote: post #19
yunohn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience in Europe, the primary roadblock is the controlling moralistic conservatism exhibited by critics like those quoted in the article.

How about the horrible smell produced by those who smoke? It's super reckless to expose others to negative side-effects by somebody who can't control themselves and must smoke.

Disturbing others with smells is already against the law. There have been cases of renters getting kicked out for bothering nighbors with tobacco smoke. Some amount of smell is just part of life. I also have so smell disgusting (to me) food sometimes.

There are also restrictions where you can and can't smoke, like schools, playgrounds or sports fields.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by summarity »

Longhanks wrote: post #39
summarity wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Landlords successfully get people to adhere to all kinds of technically illegal rules. If you need a space, you sign whatever they give you. Waiting times for a consultation with renters associations in Berlin are 3-4 weeks right now. For example, they often prohibit plants of certain sizes on balconies, and entirely elsewhere. Legal? Maybe not - but here in reality you have little recourse.

Okay, but in that reality you're morally perfectly fine by just not telling your landlord. Landlords cannot legally visit you in the apartment unless they give you proper notice in advance and they must not keep any keys while the apartment is rented. Just saying.

> Okay, but in that reality you're morally perfectly fine by just not telling your landlord.

This is the way :)

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by arp242 »

snehk wrote: post #32
treprinum wrote: post #16

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When I was in Uni, we tested air quality at bus stops (where most people complain about smoke smell) and then a few meters away. Turned out that most of the pollution came not from cigarette smoke but from cars, tires and whatnot. I also don't see how it would stay in the air longer than tabaco. That just seems your subjective thinking that's not based on anything at all.

It's not about pollution, it's about smell.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by gruez »

basch wrote: post #24
chimeracoder wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This tiny detail makes the difference why employer-mandated drug tests are not a thing in Germany like it is in the US. It doesn't explain the difference, no, since the same is true about the US. In most states, consumption of most drugs is not a crime - possession, production, distribution, sale, and trafficking are the actual crimes prosecuted.

Nearly any amount of intoxication is vaguely illegal under disorderly conduct. It’s a catch all they can apply whenever. Fighting it and winning still costs time and money. So sure, the act of consuming might be legal, but having consumed isn’t.

>Nearly any amount of intoxication is vaguely illegal under disorderly conduct.

Isn't that limited to public spaces? If you're getting high in private you should be fine?

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by dns_snek »

treprinum wrote: post #19
yunohn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience in Europe, the primary roadblock is the controlling moralistic conservatism exhibited by critics like those quoted in the article.

How about the horrible smell produced by those who smoke? It's super reckless to expose others to negative side-effects by somebody who can't control themselves and must smoke.

I think it's reasonable to impose restrictions on "smell pollution", as much as it's reasonable to limit neighbors from playing loud music at night.

The good news is that vaporization doesn't smell as much (or linger as long) while being nearly equivalent in effects, and edibles don't smell at all. I think users and non-users should be able to coexist peacefully by making a couple of compromises.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by pimeys »

summarity wrote: post #25
Longhanks wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't think of a law that would allow landlords to enforce that in a rental contract. Renting is heavily regulated in Germany. Consumption is different, but the new law is very specific in what is allowed and what isn't, and an unconditional ban is unlawful, as is already the case with cigarettes.

Landlords successfully get people to adhere to all kinds of technically illegal rules. If you need a space, you sign whatever they give you. Waiting times for a consultation with renters associations in Berlin are 3-4 weeks right now. For example, they often prohibit plants of certain sizes on balconies, and entirely elsewhere. Legal? Maybe not - but here in reality you have little recourse.

You sue the landlord immediately after signing the contract and get thousands of euros in a few years... Just be a member of Mieterverein, pay them that 70€ a year and you pay nothing else for the lawyer.

I know a few people who took way too expensive rental contract, sued and got the money back in court. It is annoying that you need to do this, but there is a way and it only costs your time.

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