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Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

Any sources, data etc. to back that up? Is it also for other ethnicities? How many of the top Indian CEO directs are Indian?

I am an anecdote, but this is true.

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If they discriminated based on age and race, that's problematic, but if they selected on some other justifiable measure and it created this result then it's no different from any company having fewer women engineers than engineers who are men.

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Paywall, but it is clear that companies are literally starving for cheap labor. They are willing to do anything, including bringing over workers on potentially inappropriate visas ( I am not a lawyer, just what I have seen). Honestly I am surprised that they didn’t just hire directly in India.

They’re starving so badly for cheap talent that they’re taking in record profits.

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I'm genuinely curious why a company would go out of their way to fire Americans in America...to hire folks on temporary visas. If you're going to do the first part, why not just hire people in the countries they are from? I understand the article says the folks on the visas are able to be paid less, but isn't the H1-B process long, complicated, expensive, and somewhat unpredictable? Surely it's cheaper to just outsou…

It is about control. I worked with India-based engineers writing IoT C++ on deadline (alongside a US team) at 5 PM ET. They had already put in 8 hours by the time I woke up. Total madness and abuse, in my opinion.

I left because the management team clearly valued control over competence. Every person in management either was a (white) connected executive salesperson or a member of the CEO's family.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If there is no reason, why were you fired? Behause they can? To cover their ass? I duuno. I'm asking since I live in an EU country where you can get laid off for no reason and employers usually provide no exact reason in writing precisely to potentially avoid getting sued. They just terminate your contract and let you know they terminate your contract by giving you your notice and that's that, you're gone in 30-90 d…

>>I'm asking since I live in an EU country where you can get laid off for no reason and employers usually provide no exact reason in writing precisely to potentially avoid getting sued. What EU country is that?

>What EU country is that?

Austria.

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I'm genuinely curious why a company would go out of their way to fire Americans in America...to hire folks on temporary visas. If you're going to do the first part, why not just hire people in the countries they are from? I understand the article says the folks on the visas are able to be paid less, but isn't the H1-B process long, complicated, expensive, and somewhat unpredictable? Surely it's cheaper to just outsou…

Saves money. Why pay someone $130k when you can pay an H1B half? Plus if you're hiring them as a contractor you can get rid of them whenever you want.

Where I work about half of our contractors come in through TCS.

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> in the US you don't need a reason to fire someone That's not quite what "at will employment" in the US actually means. What it means is that an employer can fire you at any time for any reason that isn't an unlawful reason. It doesn't mean the employer doesn't have to give a reason at all, or that the employer can simply refuse to give a reason if questioned, particularly if there is an allegation that the firing w…

Ok so it's not really at will. There's still laws and regulations around firings.

Correct. "At will" isn't quite the dystopian corporate nightmare some make it out to be. You can't just make up a reason. It has to be valid, and even if it is, it will be a headache for the legal department if there is even a hint that the person was targeted for being in a protected class. If it's proven the company fabricated the reason, well, you might as well name the company after person at that point.

That's why companies still go through an enormous amount of procedural and documentation hoops before they fire someone, including PIPs.

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post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

Any sources, data etc. to back that up? Is it also for other ethnicities? How many of the top Indian CEO directs are Indian?

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> Ok, but if there's no reason? If there is no reason, why were you fired? You can easily google/ask chatgpt the answer to your questions - the answer is that some companies are nowadays very risk averse in laying people off precisely because they are afraid of discrimination lawsuits, which is why they generally have very solid documentation of performance problems (hence the reason for the modern Performance Improv…

>If there is no reason, why were you fired? Behause they can? To cover their ass? I duuno. I'm asking since I live in an EU country where you can get laid off for no reason and employers usually provide no exact reason in writing precisely to potentially avoid getting sued. They just terminate your contract and let you know they terminate your contract by giving you your notice and that's that, you're gone in 30-90 d…

In most US states the employer doesn’t need to provide a reason for dismissal. Whether they do or don’t you may sue your employer or file a complaint with the state oversight agency. In that lawsuit if you have persuasive evidence of discrimination (race, age, pregnancy, gender, etc) then you may win a large settlement or a judgment if it actually goes to trial. The company will provide evidence why they fired you for non-discriminatory reasons.
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