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Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

kccqzy wrote: post #33
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #19

Don't new cars have automatic parking brakes? I drive a manual, and even if you park it in gear, with some bad luck and a slighly "worn down" engine, it'll roll, so most of the people just pull the hand brake.

I've seen a few electric vehicle models with automatic parking brakes but they literally have to use parking brakes to prevent rolling (they typically have fixed reduction gears). It's somewhat unusual on combustion cars to have automatic parking brakes.

Out here in europe, they usually come with the "second cheapest" (and more expensive) options when buying a car (so the base model doesn't have them, but one "level" higher, you get the automatic parking brakes, automatic AC, cruise control, etc.).

They're usually a pain, because if you want to tow a vehicle with them, you either have to turn the vehicle on, to disable them (not always an option if it's an electrical issue) you have to find the manual release (if the car has one), or in some cases, even remove both rear tires and unscrew a part of a brake assembly.... but yeah... not that odd, with an old renault, you had to remove a tire to change the front light.

Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

dcan wrote: post #24
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #19

Don't new cars have automatic parking brakes? I drive a manual, and even if you park it in gear, with some bad luck and a slighly "worn down" engine, it'll roll, so most of the people just pull the hand brake.

Nope, parking brakes are usually a separate (and traditionally mechanical) system on automatics. Electronic parking brakes are still rare

Sure, so are on manual cars, but once you go above a "base model" with many cars, you get such goodies like cruise control, automatic AC and automatic parking brakes (which can be a pain to release in case of an electrical failure when towing is needed).

Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by MichaelZuo »

Tostino wrote: post #8

My 2020 Palisade rolled down a hill after I had parked it with my wife and dog still inside. It rolled over my leg and foot, and I had to go to the hospital. My wife had jumped from the passenger seat to the driver's to stomp on the brakes as it slammed into the car behind us. Transmission grinding away as it rolled down the hill. Could not recommend the experience less.

Did you figure out if it was a one off defect, or a common design flaw?

Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by SkyPuncher »

thebruce87m wrote: post #16
Tostino wrote: post #8

My 2020 Palisade rolled down a hill after I had parked it with my wife and dog still inside. It rolled over my leg and foot, and I had to go to the hospital. My wife had jumped from the passenger seat to the driver's to stomp on the brakes as it slammed into the car behind us. Transmission grinding away as it rolled down the hill. Could not recommend the experience less.

A Palisade is a Hyundai for anyone else who didn’t know. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Palisade

the PALISADE AND telluride are essentially the same vehicle as well.

Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by SkyPuncher »

hollywood_court wrote: post #42

These things are all over my town and surrounding area. I remember two of my neighbors buying them and paying $10k+ dealer markup and I just couldn’t understand why. Kia’s and Hyundais are made in and around the area I live so you see them everywhere but I could never imagine owning one or paying a $10k+ markup. I used to work for a Korean company that supplied parts for Kia/Hyundai. That experience combined with my…

We bought a Palisade over Ford Explorer.

The trim we bought was nicer than a $5k more Explorer in every single way. Even paying $10k over MSRP puts them in line with the segment.

Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by SkyPuncher »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #19

Don't new cars have automatic parking brakes? I drive a manual, and even if you park it in gear, with some bad luck and a slighly "worn down" engine, it'll roll, so most of the people just pull the hand brake.

Hyundai and Kia will automatically engage the parking break if you have auto hold on when you shut the car off.

Why they don’t always auto engage the parking break is beyond me. It automatically disengages when you apply throttle. Most people would literally never notice it being applied.

Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by SkyPuncher »

vvillena wrote: post #17

Why do people rely on automatic gearboxes to keep cars in place? Trusting the "park" position is like leaving a manual gearbox car in gear: it can do the job, but it's not the right tool for the purpose. The handbrake is there for a reason.

This is not at all true.

Parking brakes in an automatic vehicle actually flip a piece into the gear ring. They’re absolutely rated to hold the vehicle in place without additional brakes.

I know on my Ford truck, the parking gear is rated to hold the truck plus some amount of trailer weight. If you’re above that trailer weight, they recommend engaging the manual brake.

Re: Kia recalls over 427K Telluride SUVs because they might roll away while parked

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Post by nobodyandproud »

xeromal wrote: post #10
nobodyandproud wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What informs this opinion?

The biggest thing would probably be the fact that a large amount of them could be stolen with a usb-shaped dongle because the cars didn't come with immobilizers.

Okay. They underestimated the ease of theft, but that doesn’t make the car bottom tier by any means.
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