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So the value of them will plummet? That sounds like a win for society.

Why would the value of AIs plummet if they know more? Or did you mean sites? Information wants to be free. If AI is trained only on data provided by those with agendas, you won’t want to live in that world.

I am saying the opposite, if they have less data the value of AI's will plummet and hopefully their use will plummet.

That is a good thing.

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Why wouldn't we want jobs to be automated exactly?

Because if a job is automted, it means that the person whose job is automated now is unemployed. Even if we have UBI, it means that the person DOING the automating will get a disproportionate share of the resources compared with the pittance given to the person who was automated. Personally, I don't want my job to be automated. I write for a living and if AI takes my job, I won't get paid. I prefer to create value in…

I'm always dumbfounded by the luddites on hackernews, it blows my mind.

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Only on hackernews you get the most ironic of takes. Supposedly someone who is educated and technologically literate to a high degree, thinks opposition to AI is a good thing. Crazy world.

Actually, I believe it was my education in pure mathematics (PhD), computer programming, and technology, as well as living in three countries and seeing the word that allowed me to truly realize how damaging AI can really be. Believe it or not, I was heavily into technology when I was in my 20s. But after seeing environmental damage, reading widely in philosophy and sociology, writing about it to clarify it, I came t…

I'm 30, you sound older. I did my education in philosophy and physics and I'm a data engineer at a F200. I think you couldn't be more wrong, and out of touch. You sound like Kaczynsky.

I love technology because it's interesting, who cares what rich people think. I can't understand this oldhead defeatist mentality a lot of people here seem to have similar to yours.

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Why wouldn't we want jobs to be automated exactly?

Because if a job is automted, it means that the person whose job is automated now is unemployed. Even if we have UBI, it means that the person DOING the automating will get a disproportionate share of the resources compared with the pittance given to the person who was automated. Personally, I don't want my job to be automated. I write for a living and if AI takes my job, I won't get paid. I prefer to create value in…

...unless we change our socio-political systems. A complex endeavour but worth remembering.

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> thinks opposition to AI is a good thing. Because we don't want nearly every job to be automated by AI? "Crazy world"

Why wouldn't we want jobs to be automated exactly?

Because every job that gets automated creates massive unemployment for those who were skilled in it

what do you think will happen to us devs if AI gets good enough to do our jobs? Do you think our companies will keep us around because we're just so darn smart?

What do you think is _already happening_ to in-house artists, content/technical writers, marketing analysts, and other jobs that are directly impacted by LLMs in their current form?

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Likewise, I've unsubscribed from multiple paid Patreons and Substacks as soon as they started using AI to generate content. I'd rather see an amateur MSPaint scribble than some dall-e monstrosity at the head of a newsletter.

Exactly! Even if a person isn't that great at drawing or painting, it's so much more interesting to view their attempts because they reflect something about the person. The AI-generated fluff might look nice (even I'll admit some look interesting), but it's devoid of human soul. And there's really not much point in art if it has no communicative value that originates from living beings.

Yeah, I should be clear that I don't use the word "monstrosity" to suggest that all AI-generated images are ugly, but rather that they're inherently, viscerally disgusting regardless of their visual appeal. No amount of progress in the visual quality of their output will change how I feel about it.

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> Also why are "AI" crawlers are worse than "normal" crawlers? A search engine will index your content to bring people to it through search. An AI crawler will take your content to recapitulate it and sell it to others. Obviously it's more complicated than this, but this is how one might see it who wishes to use this file. > Either way, this is an exercise in futility. Not necessarily disqualifying. Laws against thef…

Search engines are not the beacons of holiness - they sell ads, they sell data on who searched what, they manipulate results. Search engines and AI things are typically owned by the same company. AIs are fed with the data collected by a search engine. The only difference is whether AI gets the data in realtime or waits for the search engine to collect another data dump. Fighting windmills as I see it.

Search engines manipulate results way less aggressively than LLMs do.

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Because if a job is automted, it means that the person whose job is automated now is unemployed. Even if we have UBI, it means that the person DOING the automating will get a disproportionate share of the resources compared with the pittance given to the person who was automated. Personally, I don't want my job to be automated. I write for a living and if AI takes my job, I won't get paid. I prefer to create value in…

I'm always dumbfounded by the luddites on hackernews, it blows my mind.

Is your position that the scenario outlined above is irrational?

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Actually, I believe it was my education in pure mathematics (PhD), computer programming, and technology, as well as living in three countries and seeing the word that allowed me to truly realize how damaging AI can really be. Believe it or not, I was heavily into technology when I was in my 20s. But after seeing environmental damage, reading widely in philosophy and sociology, writing about it to clarify it, I came t…

I'm 30, you sound older. I did my education in philosophy and physics and I'm a data engineer at a F200. I think you couldn't be more wrong, and out of touch. You sound like Kaczynsky. I love technology because it's interesting, who cares what rich people think. I can't understand this oldhead defeatist mentality a lot of people here seem to have similar to yours.

"who cares what rich people think" is an astoundingly politically naive statement.

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> Either way, this is an exercise in futility. Is it really? Every drop of opposition towards AI in my book is a good thing. This robots.txt thing is a small drop maybe, but over time public hatred for AI can build and it might in fact be taken down. Especially outside the tech bubble, many people are ambivalent towards AI. Yes, in modern society were are taught to value innovation and ignore its downsides, but the m…

Only on hackernews you get the most ironic of takes. Supposedly someone who is educated and technologically literate to a high degree, thinks opposition to AI is a good thing. Crazy world.

The level of scrutiny and plurality of opinions towards technology in general is imho what makes a tech forum good.
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