Where is the letter P in the second image?
Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
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Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#52This font looks radically different on my two monitors, being significantly worse on my 'standard' DPI monitor compared to my other high DPI monitor. On my main, 1x monitor, the lowercase i has an anti-aliased "half pixel" at the bottom that extends past the baseline. A few other characters have this, but it's especially noticable on the lowcase i.
The font could definitely use some technical tweaking for issues like that -- the kerning on "qu" also stands out as a problem. It looks like this is the author's first attempt at making a font, though, and by that standard it's pretty good!
Yes that "qu" kerning is a problem indeed, glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
There are also some small technical typesetting issues in the samples, for example, by using straight quotes instead of true quotation marks in "Inclusive Feature 04".
But yes if it's her first attempt then it's quite good and I hope that with some tweaks and improvements, it will be a really good font!
Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Did anyone else find the green background and the white text clash in a way that made it difficult to read? No, but only because with Javascript disabled there is literally nothing but an olive green page. Truly remarkable, given that it is supposed to be inclusive.
This is an honest question: are you browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled?
Not the parent, but, why yes! I AM browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled. It's a technology that adds no value to any of the content I am interested in, you know, just reading -- content that can be expressed in HTML tags without being injected into a DOM.
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/01/the-unreasonable-effectiven...
Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Did anyone else find the green background and the white text clash in a way that made it difficult to read? No, but only because with Javascript disabled there is literally nothing but an olive green page. Truly remarkable, given that it is supposed to be inclusive.
This is an honest question: are you browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled?
Even if almost no one disables Javascript because the web is unfortunately hardly usable without it, it show that absolutely no fucks are given.
There is no reason for Javascript to be required on that page, it is static and should be nothing more than a simple HTML file with a few images, the font and a style sheet. It is slow on a decent desktop PC with a fiber connection, I can't imagine on an old smartphone. Recently featured on HN: https://danluu.com/slow-device/
But maybe we shouldn't blame the author too much, she is using Squarespace, that's the kind of service people use when they don't want to deal with these technical details. But Squarespace should know better and be ashamed of delivering such crap to their customers.
Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Did anyone else find the green background and the white text clash in a way that made it difficult to read? No, but only because with Javascript disabled there is literally nothing but an olive green page. Truly remarkable, given that it is supposed to be inclusive.
This is an honest question: are you browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled?
> are you browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled?
I use uMatrix to disable most Javascript by default, and enable sources one-by-one if necessary for a web app. There’s no need to use Javascript on a blog post, certainly not to dynamically load in HTML text and images, so I generally don’t even bother to enable it, and just hit the back button.
The way I look at it is, a web interaction is a conversation: my browser asks a server for a resource, and the server returns it. This makes sense for static HTML: ‘server, please send me this blog post’; ‘sure, here you go, and here are some images or fonts or whatever to make it prettier.’ This, OTOH, feels just wrong: ‘server, please send me this blog post’; ‘sure, here is this list of instructions for you to follow to assemble to blog post.’
Web apps are fine, Javascript is fine for that. Forcing the use of Javascript to do what HTML already can do natively is just wrong.
Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an honest question: are you browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled?
Not the parent, but, why yes! I AM browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled. It's a technology that adds no value to any of the content I am interested in, you know, just reading -- content that can be expressed in HTML tags without being injected into a DOM. https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/01/the-unreasonable-effectiven...
Hey now, Javascript adds plenty of value to advertisers, crackers, CPU vendors and browser manufacturers seeking lock-in!
Seriously, it does have use in building web apps, but the vast, vast majority of web sites I encounter should be static, or progressively enhanced.
Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#57Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually I like that one better! For instance, Inclusive Sans boasts about its "clear distinction between I [uppercase i], l [lowercase L] and 1", but the lowercase L is just a vertical bar, so might as well be mistaken for an I if there is no I to compare it to. In Atkinson Hyperlegible, the lowercase L has a slight "tail" which helps distinguish it - and the serifs on the uppercase i feel a bit less jarring.
Agreed, the font has a lot of playful character without giving away that it was designed for a specific functional purpose. And it looks like it's freely licensed as well, so not only is it free to use, but it's also free to ship alongside things. However, note that it does feature mirrored "b" and "d", which can be difficult to distinguish for people with dyslexia.
Atkinson Hyperlegible does have a tail on the 'd' but it's much more subtle than the one on the 'l'. As mentioned, its main priority is low vision, not dyslexia.
Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an honest question: are you browsing the web in 2024 with javascript disabled?
You'd be surprised by the number of people who does that. Not everyone has a fancy browser and not everyone can see .
Supporting JavaScript makes a browser "fancy?"
People who can't see use the same browsers as everyone else and they run JavaScript.
https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey10/#javascript
Re: Inclusive Sans: Text font designed for accessibility and readability
#60Another good font for this is OpenDyslexic https://opendyslexic.org/
Not really. In studies, OpenDyslexic and other "dyslexia fonts" with exaggerated shapes didn't perform better than commonly used conventional fonts.