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Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

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Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#51
> Somewhere down the line, many of us got the idea that our laptops should always be plugged in to improve their performance.

Various things have different default behavior when not plugged in to the power (e.g. iTerm2 disables GPU rendering by default). This is just the one place I know that's a counterpoint (and there's a setting to disable that), but it's actually something that I've hit a few times while developing Ratatui.

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#52
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does, if the battery is 100% no more charging current goes in, so charging stops. But the key point is that the battery will drop to 99% very quickly and on it's own because no battery can keep the energy in perfectly. So it's recharged for the missing 1% over and over again which causes the damage. Unless some smart charging logic prevents that, see other comments here. Edit: typo

It's not just this, it's literally bad to keep a lithium ion battery in a high voltage state, period. Simply taking a battery out and leaving it on the shelf in a high voltage state, otherwise unused, harms it.

Agree, not sure why though. Because the isolation degrades because of electrons breaking through it?

However, keeping "a lot" of energy in the battery is kind of the purpose, no one is using 50% max to increase battery life. But I guess most damage increases exponentially with energy stored, so charging it from 95% to 100% will damage it a lot more to than charging it from 90% to 95%.

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#53
post #21

Apple took this out of Mac OS somewhat recently. You can try to rely on their power management, but given battery decay is a common reason to buy a new machine I don’t trust them really. If you have an Apple Silicon Mac I can recommend Battery [1]. It can keep your Mac at 80%, and even force discharge while plugged in to get there. It’s a CLI and status bar utility, I love it. [1: https://github.com/actuallymentor/ba…

...took what out of macOS? It definitely still does "smart charging", keeping it at 80% until just before when it has learned you are likely to unplug it.

If you have a highly irregular schedule, then sure, this may not be helpful. But I find that my and my wife's Apple Silicon laptops are usually kept at 80% unless we explicitly tell them to "charge to full now".

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#54
Why not to implement a feature on all OSs that stops charging your battery once it gets at 100% and start the charging again at about 50%? It's healthy for the battery (aka it doesn't degrade it if it doesn't charge) and it's not letting you remain at 10% - from where it goes instantly at 0%. The dingus remains at how to make it happen, even if i've seen it getting into iOS and Android.

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

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post #54

Why not to implement a feature on all OSs that stops charging your battery once it gets at 100% and start the charging again at about 50%? It's healthy for the battery (aka it doesn't degrade it if it doesn't charge) and it's not letting you remain at 10% - from where it goes instantly at 0%. The dingus remains at how to make it happen, even if i've seen it getting into iOS and Android.

If you're running KDE, max charge can be set in advanced battery settings. Other Linuxes can set it at the command line.

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#56
post #41

The article's advice isn't the best. It's better to not cycle your battery whenever possible. Set your battery up to only charge when bellow a certain threshold (I do 70%) lower than the max charge (I have it set to 80%). This optimises for not over straining the battery (by not going to 100%) and it reducing cycles to a minimum for my everyday use only travelling between (desk) locations. I set this up through the p…

Your advice is good but your reasoning is misleading. Smaller more frequent charges are easier on a battery than less frequent larger charges of the same magnitude. Better to go from 70% to 80% five times than to go from 30% to 80% once. That's true with thermal control like most car batteries, and even more without thermal control, like laptops.

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#57
Note that this advice is wrong if you have a device with good software and settings. (aka maximum and minimum charge settings). Smaller more frequent charges are easier on a battery than less frequent larger charges of the same magnitude. Better to go from 70% to 80% five times than to go from 30% to 80% once. Especially on a laptop that doesn't have battery cooling.

Even worse, unplugging your laptop makes it use battery charge, adding additional wear to your battery.

Virtually all EV's have good software, so your electric car should be plugged into a charger as often as possible. It should be the same for laptops, unless you have one that is poorly configured; most are.

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

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post #53
post #21

Apple took this out of Mac OS somewhat recently. You can try to rely on their power management, but given battery decay is a common reason to buy a new machine I don’t trust them really. If you have an Apple Silicon Mac I can recommend Battery [1]. It can keep your Mac at 80%, and even force discharge while plugged in to get there. It’s a CLI and status bar utility, I love it. [1: https://github.com/actuallymentor/ba…

...took what out of macOS? It definitely still does "smart charging", keeping it at 80% until just before when it has learned you are likely to unplug it. If you have a highly irregular schedule, then sure, this may not be helpful. But I find that my and my wife's Apple Silicon laptops are usually kept at 80% unless we explicitly tell them to "charge to full now".

You can’t explicitly tell it to hold at 80% using system settings, when once you could. Glad it works for you and your wife.

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#59
A lot of this advice strikes me as folk theories. Just treat batteries as consumables and use the device as you see fit. Replace the battery as necessary every few years. There's no similar advice for avoiding doing an oil change for cars. Why treat laptop and phone batteries as if they're precious resources?

Re: Unplug Your Laptop Now, or It Will Stay Plugged in Forever

#60

Is there a good reason why we can't tell our devices to charge the battery to say 70% and then internally disconnect the battery, so it's neither charging nor discharging?

Dell laptops have had such a feature literally for a decade now

Yep. I'm using Linux on a XPS 13 and Dell provides Dell Command Configure, aka, cctk. I set mine to 65%.

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000178000/dell-comm...

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