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USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by joshspankit »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #41
CoastalCoder wrote: post #30

Honest question: is this evidence of worsening QA at Apple, or a consequence of OS X growing a longer tail of old and varied hardware? E.g., how does this compare to the rate of equivalent problems with large Windows releases?

I have doubts it's the latter - just a day or two ago there was an article trending on HN that building Hackintoshes is becoming harder and harder because Apple is removing drivers for old hardware only found in Macs that are not supported anymore.

Also doubt it’s the latter: Compatibility with old hardware has never been high on Apple’s priority list.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by bauruine »

nickthegreek wrote: post #8
beeboobaa wrote: post #3

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tbh, this stuff isn't going to effect 99% of the userbase and their systems will continue to just work. All 3 of my mac laptops continue to work without issue.

"Just don't use X" and "Works for my use case" used to be Linux memes.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

prirun wrote: post #20

My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…

I just saw an update come through on my Ubuntu 22.04 machine for CUPS. I know that Apple is the steward/owner of CUPS now, so I wonder if it's a related update.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by kayodelycaon »

markneub wrote: post #24
prirun wrote: post #20

My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…

Doesn’t Snow Leopard have printer sharing? i.e. you can skip the generate PDF and copy steps, assuming both machines are on your LAN

Snow Leopard has printer sharing. Even better, it has CUPS if you want to get your hands dirty. :)

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by LeFantome »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #30

Honest question: is this evidence of worsening QA at Apple, or a consequence of OS X growing a longer tail of old and varied hardware? E.g., how does this compare to the rate of equivalent problems with large Windows releases?

Apple does not accumulate a trail of old hardware. They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years. Their “tail” is always about the same length.

I use EndeavourOS on all my old Mac hardware and update without fear literally every couple of days. It “just works”. So, a “long tail” of hardware is no excuse anyway.

Apple is in the middle off a platform transition from Intel to their own silicon. Some of these problems could be a de-emphasis on the Intel experience. Some of it though seems to be lees quality and more philosophy ( such as the claim it actively deleted files from root ).

If you are going to play in the Apple garden, you have to play the way they want you to.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by travisgriggs »

stingraycharles wrote: post #17

Ok since these types of threads are typically filled with complaints, just to add another data point: I’ve upgraded last week and have not experienced any problems at all. And yes, I’m using USB hubs, printers and even Java.

Same for me. On an M1

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by jsmith99 »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #30

Honest question: is this evidence of worsening QA at Apple, or a consequence of OS X growing a longer tail of old and varied hardware? E.g., how does this compare to the rate of equivalent problems with large Windows releases?

This macOS version only supports models since 2017-19 (depending on product line). Apple don’t really have an excuse compared to Microsoft since they only have a few hardware options.

It’s amusing to compare the comments here to the comments on windows update threads. As nobody else has, let me add the reminder for everyone to switch to .

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by danaris »

stingraycharles wrote: post #17

Ok since these types of threads are typically filled with complaints, just to add another data point: I’ve upgraded last week and have not experienced any problems at all. And yes, I’m using USB hubs, printers and even Java.

I, too, have had no trouble with USB hubs or Java since upgrading to 14.4. (I don't currently use a USB hub—my Thunderbolt dock has been fine, but I doubt it's close enough to count!)

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by freedomben »

spurgu wrote: post #21

The application window switching has been glitching ever since I was forced to upgrade recently[0]. Instead of switching between windows of the same app it (using the keyboard shortcut) sometimes includes windows of all apps . Rebooting helps. Sometimes it starts working again for some unexplained reason after a while. Super annoying. To be clear I'm talking about Keyboard shortcuts -> Keyboard -> Move focus to next…

I know this isn't helpful, but it's genuinely very surprising to me that this is the case with a company like apple that controls tightly the entire stack in part because they want to tightly control the experience, that you would not be comfortable upgrading to the latest version immediately. Particularly given how much of a premium you pay to get into that system. On Fedora Linux, upgrading has gotten remarkably safe, especially if you take advantage of some of the options that use a/b partitions to allow rollbacks.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by guappa »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #53
prirun wrote: post #20

My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…

I just saw an update come through on my Ubuntu 22.04 machine for CUPS. I know that Apple is the steward/owner of CUPS now, so I wonder if it's a related update.

Apple hasn't been paying for CUPS for a number of years now.
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