Since 2000, I've observed the internet shift from free sharing of information to aggressive monetization of every piece of knowledge. So I suspect that is the culprit. If you use the mobile web on the latest iPhone you'll find its unusable without an ad-blocker.
How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hm, not entirely true, depending on what you mean with "the internet shifting". The internet has grown , and the free sharing is still going strong. Have a look at Wikipedia, Hacker News, Arxiv.org. To be honest, the stuff that was shared freely in 2000 was not all that great, and most of that which was, is still available. Remember that you had to buy a subscription to Encyclopaedia Britannica back then, and to all…
And Britannica wasn’t filled with highly moderated propaganda. Wikipedia is a failed experiment.
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hm, not entirely true, depending on what you mean with "the internet shifting". The internet has grown , and the free sharing is still going strong. Have a look at Wikipedia, Hacker News, Arxiv.org. To be honest, the stuff that was shared freely in 2000 was not all that great, and most of that which was, is still available. Remember that you had to buy a subscription to Encyclopaedia Britannica back then, and to all…
Encyclopedia Britannica was on CDs, not on the internet. I'm old enough to remember.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Encyclopaedia-Britannica-En...
(Be warned, there are ads on that page.)
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#54I often use a Thinkpad X220 (which still works for a lot of my usage and I'm not too concerned about it being stolen or damaged) and the JS web is terrible to use on it. Mostly resulted in my preference of using native software (non-electron), which generally works perfectly fine and about as well as on my "more modern" computer.
Even going back so far that modern OS support is absent, snappiness can be found. My circa 2000 500Mhz PowerBook G3 running Mac OS 9.1 doesn’t feel appreciably slower than its modern day counterpart for more than one might expect, and some things like typing latency are actually better.
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#55I only recently moved from a 6-year old LG flagship phone to a shiny new Galaxy, and the performance difference is staggering. It shouldn't be - that was a very high-end phone at release, it's not that old, and it still works like new. I know it's not just my phone, because the Galaxy S9s I use to test code have the same struggles. I would like to have seen Amazon in the tests. IME Amazon's website is among the absol…
I have noticed with two 7 year old Snapdragon 835 devices that RAM and running a recent Android version makes a huge difference. I daily drive a OnePlus 5 running Android 14 through LineageOS and the user experience for non-gaming tasks is perfectly adequate. This phone has 6GB of ram, so it's still on par with most mid-range phones nowadays. My only gripe is that I had to replace the battery and disassembling phones…
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#56Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#57Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed
Ironically the modern web, built by programmers, is scorned by programmers. You all collectively, persistently, shamelessly decided AngularReactNodeWebpackViteBloat 200mb asynchronous hellspawn websites needed to be made this way. When all this time, lightweight CSS and anchor links and some PHP was all we needed.
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#58Missing text styling impacts all users. The text is hardly legible. You really don't need much styling (bloat) to get a good result, as demonstrated on http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#59Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed
Can’t even post inline videos, bro.
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Jokes aside, I do miss this type of interaction. Especially for open source projects. It made finding solutions to common issues much easier when documentation was lacking or has not been updated in a long time.
Now all or most projects have adopted some form of: discord channel, slack group, subreddit, twitter. I remember searching for my similar issue in a slack channel only to realize the chat history has been limited because the owners did not pay the extra amount to archive messages beyond what was given for free.
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#60If you don't have a good phone and a high speed connection, you don't have any money to spend on either the sites products or the products of their advertisers. When looked at from that angle, bloat is a feature. It's not reasonable to have an expectation of quality when it comes to the web.
Not everyone cares about phones.