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How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Since 2000, I've observed the internet shift from free sharing of information to aggressive monetization of every piece of knowledge. So I suspect that is the culprit. If you use the mobile web on the latest iPhone you'll find its unusable without an ad-blocker.

the tragedy of the commons

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, not entirely true, depending on what you mean with "the internet shifting". The internet has grown , and the free sharing is still going strong. Have a look at Wikipedia, Hacker News, Arxiv.org. To be honest, the stuff that was shared freely in 2000 was not all that great, and most of that which was, is still available. Remember that you had to buy a subscription to Encyclopaedia Britannica back then, and to all…

And Britannica wasn’t filled with highly moderated propaganda. Wikipedia is a failed experiment.

Wikipedia is great, it's just not as good as it could be

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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post #42
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, not entirely true, depending on what you mean with "the internet shifting". The internet has grown , and the free sharing is still going strong. Have a look at Wikipedia, Hacker News, Arxiv.org. To be honest, the stuff that was shared freely in 2000 was not all that great, and most of that which was, is still available. Remember that you had to buy a subscription to Encyclopaedia Britannica back then, and to all…

Encyclopedia Britannica was on CDs, not on the internet. I'm old enough to remember.

> In 1994 Britannica debuted the first Internet-based encyclopaedia. Users paid a fee to access the information, which was located at http://www.eb.com

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Encyclopaedia-Britannica-En...

(Be warned, there are ads on that page.)

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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post #37

I often use a Thinkpad X220 (which still works for a lot of my usage and I'm not too concerned about it being stolen or damaged) and the JS web is terrible to use on it. Mostly resulted in my preference of using native software (non-electron), which generally works perfectly fine and about as well as on my "more modern" computer.

Whenever I pull out old machines I’m a little shocked at how responsive they are running a modern OS (Win10 or Linux), so long as the modern web is avoided. Anything with a Core 2 Duo or better is adequate for a wide range of tasks if you can find non-bloated software to do them with.

Even going back so far that modern OS support is absent, snappiness can be found. My circa 2000 500Mhz PowerBook G3 running Mac OS 9.1 doesn’t feel appreciably slower than its modern day counterpart for more than one might expect, and some things like typing latency are actually better.

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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I only recently moved from a 6-year old LG flagship phone to a shiny new Galaxy, and the performance difference is staggering. It shouldn't be - that was a very high-end phone at release, it's not that old, and it still works like new. I know it's not just my phone, because the Galaxy S9s I use to test code have the same struggles. I would like to have seen Amazon in the tests. IME Amazon's website is among the absol…

I have noticed with two 7 year old Snapdragon 835 devices that RAM and running a recent Android version makes a huge difference. I daily drive a OnePlus 5 running Android 14 through LineageOS and the user experience for non-gaming tasks is perfectly adequate. This phone has 6GB of ram, so it's still on par with most mid-range phones nowadays. My only gripe is that I had to replace the battery and disassembling phones…

This is what I miss from the removal of serviceable components on MacBooks. Was a time I would buy the fastest processor and just okay memory and disk, then the first time I got a twinge of jealousy about the new machines, buy the most Corsair memory that they would guarantee would work, and a bigger faster drive. Boom, another 18 months of useful lifetime.

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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post #18

Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed

Ironically the modern web, built by programmers, is scorned by programmers. You all collectively, persistently, shamelessly decided AngularReactNodeWebpackViteBloat 200mb asynchronous hellspawn websites needed to be made this way. When all this time, lightweight CSS and anchor links and some PHP was all we needed.

*built by techbros

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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post #18

Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed

How crude. I can’t even post gifs. This is basically a glorified e-mail client, but with extra steps. No social media integration? What is this 2004? It’s not even decentralized like matrix.

Can’t even post inline videos, bro.

\s

Jokes aside, I do miss this type of interaction. Especially for open source projects. It made finding solutions to common issues much easier when documentation was lacking or has not been updated in a long time.

Now all or most projects have adopted some form of: discord channel, slack group, subreddit, twitter. I remember searching for my similar issue in a slack channel only to realize the chat history has been limited because the owners did not pay the extra amount to archive messages beyond what was given for free.

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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post #50

If you don't have a good phone and a high speed connection, you don't have any money to spend on either the sites products or the products of their advertisers. When looked at from that angle, bloat is a feature. It's not reasonable to have an expectation of quality when it comes to the web.

Huh? I have a 5 year old, mid range android, and I still buy things online.

Not everyone cares about phones.

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