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Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by samstave »

v7engine wrote: post #36

could someone eli5 this for me pls.

Think of it as whilst awake all the experience and sensory input, nutrients(or lack) you experience throughout the day result in basically the brain doing all its activites and various parts, functions and syncopated waves/rthyms etc get out of phase.

Much like you occasionally reboot your machine to flush and re-align memory etc...

When you sleep, your sensory input systems are handed a surrogate (dreams) whist the rest of your brain gets back into phase with itself, and the idea is that this allows for an 'alignment' of sorts within the brain which allows for the cerberal fluids to more porously flow through the brain and carry away ionic and other molecules which freely float through the brain.

As the rain washes the paths and the streets after a windy, dusty day...

To allow for a fresh path where the previous wake-cycles experiences in molocules can be more properly absorbed into the brain and your neurons can 'take in' what happened all wake cycle.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by zadler »

_y5hn wrote: post #35
malux85 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t it be cool if we could periodically trigger waves like this to refresh the brain and maybe require less (or no) sleep! I have no expertise in this area I’m just a dreamer :)

That's been in use for thousands of years already: yoga, pranayama and meditation. There are courses one can take where one learns this, like Art of Living and any other that follows the same traditions. Yes, there's research on that, and new studies should absolutely gain from this study. Not entirely sure you'll observe the same effect, that depends on meditator, but you can fall asleep during practice. I have over…

Which exercises would you say trigger movement of cerebrospinal dluid in the brain?

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by mattlondon »

_y5hn wrote: post #35
malux85 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t it be cool if we could periodically trigger waves like this to refresh the brain and maybe require less (or no) sleep! I have no expertise in this area I’m just a dreamer :)

That's been in use for thousands of years already: yoga, pranayama and meditation. There are courses one can take where one learns this, like Art of Living and any other that follows the same traditions. Yes, there's research on that, and new studies should absolutely gain from this study. Not entirely sure you'll observe the same effect, that depends on meditator, but you can fall asleep during practice. I have over…

I think the point of replacing sleep is to save time.

Replacing hours of sleep with hours of yogo or mediation seems like you are not gaining anything.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by samstave »

russellbeattie wrote: post #9

So, if we could induce those brain waves we wouldn't need sleep? Maybe in the future our AirPods will have a "rejuvenate" feature which plays tones that cause sleep like brain waves to go through and clean out our neurons. Probably not... I think our brains are like LLMs. We train them on sensory input we perceive over time, building up a data model that is unique to us. The models may generate similar results, but e…

induction may cause a feeling of restedness, but unless the actual fluid pumps out the waste, you'd likely get diminishing, perhaps even damaging results if you over use it... like and "sleep spell" it has a cooldown that is needed for actual biological pumping time

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by ArthurAardvark »

_y5hn wrote: post #35
malux85 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t it be cool if we could periodically trigger waves like this to refresh the brain and maybe require less (or no) sleep! I have no expertise in this area I’m just a dreamer :)

That's been in use for thousands of years already: yoga, pranayama and meditation. There are courses one can take where one learns this, like Art of Living and any other that follows the same traditions. Yes, there's research on that, and new studies should absolutely gain from this study. Not entirely sure you'll observe the same effect, that depends on meditator, but you can fall asleep during practice. I have over…

It's hilarious to me that these practices are laughed off, trivialized through memes and hyper-objectivity (science can't evaluate their value in a practical manner -> "Lulz hippie-dippie nonsense for ditzy/ungrounded women!!!!" -- Western dolt). Its insane considering their benefits...that are of course tragically perfect for those who would never participate

Of course that's a huge generality, I'd say it may be 1 out of 5 people like that in the US, but its the fact that it is not constrained to any particular demographic/background.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by Dylan16807 »

vasco wrote: post #10
malux85 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t it be cool if we could periodically trigger waves like this to refresh the brain and maybe require less (or no) sleep! I have no expertise in this area I’m just a dreamer :)

For companies it'd be a dream. 1/4 more awake time is 1/4 more time to buy stuff and watch content and ads. Or work longer hours. Gonna go back to sleep now.

Sounds like a win-win.

Let's say my discretionary spending is 30% of my income, it goes up by a third, and I need to work 10% longer hours. Okay, so I adjust to a 44 hour work week and I get an extra 30+ hours of free time? Great!

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by Jolter »

russellbeattie wrote: post #9

So, if we could induce those brain waves we wouldn't need sleep? Maybe in the future our AirPods will have a "rejuvenate" feature which plays tones that cause sleep like brain waves to go through and clean out our neurons. Probably not... I think our brains are like LLMs. We train them on sensory input we perceive over time, building up a data model that is unique to us. The models may generate similar results, but e…

I have an idea: if you induced those brain waves, you would technically be asleep. So you would not actually be magically given more awake time.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by lloeki »

samstave wrote: post #43
gapan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point was that every member of the public should have access to publicly funded research at least through the university's website, rather than at least everyone currently in universities should have access.

AaronSwartz+1*

Swartz. Schwartz is an actor.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Post by ineedaj0b »

pjerem wrote: post #29
ineedaj0b wrote: post #21

We need to figure out what activity or thought creates waves most similar to the cleaning function. Maybe it’s dreaming? Dreaming by my experience is tedious and not restful… I have 4-6 dreams every night and never feel like I’m truly asleep. Shouldn’t be hard to figure out with an EKG and a decent graph to see what your aiming for.

It’s not dreaming that is tedious. My understanding is that the brain always dream but that you only remember your dreams if you wake up during them. So, remembering 4-6 dreams would mean that you wake up (probably unconsciously) multiple times per night. It’s probably what is tiring rather than the dream itself. Disclaimer : I have no source and I may be wrong. It’s my understanding.

I don’t feel physically tired in the mornings. I ran in high school 8-10 miles a day and would collapse, waking up dream free.

Now I wake up refreshed but I’m sick of watching the same rehashed combinations of dreams. I can do lucid dreaming, but I’d just rather not dream at all

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