Made me check my hydroflask and good news, no lead: https://faq.hydroflask.com/en_us/does-hydro-flask-use-lead-f...
Essentially the same product but cheaper because there isn't a weird hypetrain around it.
Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
51–60 of 74 posts
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You really think it's worth getting bent out of shape that one guy is using a little bit of lead solder to repair a valuable antique" Yes. Not even close. As someone who repaires such things myself, I know that there is no excuse for it. Simple as that. I do it myself and so I know just how not-a-problem it is. Several lead-free solders are perfectly usable in all the same places, and the only way to reduce the back…
Sorry, but as someone who has had to use them, lead-free solders are garbage. They are difficult to work with, require higher temperatures to use, don't last as long, whisker and destroy equipment they're used in. This is all well known, it's not a mystery, and lead in solder is the least of the problems with lead in the world today.
How come I have no problem? Even with plain old sac305 let alone the supposedly nicer ones.
From big old chunky point to point, to manually drag soldering 0.5mm pitch tssop.
I have no problem doing something that you claim is impossible or too difficult, and somehow this makes me the crybaby?
Ok.
Frankly if it was me I wouldn't be so keen to tell everyone how weak and incapable I was.
I grew up on leaded as we all did. I used to really like the radio shack 0.015in 62/36/2 silver bearing. Did indeed work very nice.
And yet after an inconsequentially short maybe a single hour of effort, I was able to adjust to 305.
You telling me I'm just better than you? Well if I'm just better, then shouldn't you be listening instead of arguing? If I'm not better, then how do you explain my lack of difficulty with something you claim is difficult?
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You really think it's worth getting bent out of shape that one guy is using a little bit of lead solder to repair a valuable antique" Yes. Not even close. As someone who repaires such things myself, I know that there is no excuse for it. Simple as that. I do it myself and so I know just how not-a-problem it is. Several lead-free solders are perfectly usable in all the same places, and the only way to reduce the back…
You are aware that leaded solder is in use in many industries to this day? I'm soldering with SN62 now as we speak.
You are aware that this means, validates, invalidates, nothing?
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You really think it's worth getting bent out of shape that one guy is using a little bit of lead solder to repair a valuable antique" Yes. Not even close. As someone who repaires such things myself, I know that there is no excuse for it. Simple as that. I do it myself and so I know just how not-a-problem it is. Several lead-free solders are perfectly usable in all the same places, and the only way to reduce the back…
You have strong opinions on the use of leaded solder. I'm curious if you have some numbers to drive home your point. For example, what is the relative risk of using leaded solder for a hobbyist creating a handful of prototype circuit boards a year (using proper ventilation of course), versus living close to an airport exposed to burning jet fuel which contains lead to this day? I want to know, roughly speaking, if us…
A simple observation that cannot be refuted because it's an already accomplished fact that I have no problem soldering with 305 (or anything else really) is not a strong opinion.
All anyone can say is that maybe I'm lying or maybe don't know what a good job looks like and so don't know I'm actually having problems. Or maybe I only ever tried within a narrow sliver of ideal situations and conditions. We will all just have to grant each other some basics like that or else there's no point in conversing at all.
But it's farcical me to say "I use it all the time and it's fine." and respond "You're wrong."
Really? I didn't just do the thing I just watched my hands do right in front of my face? This project in my hands is not actually soldered? And doesn't actually work? Am I in an Elon Musk simulation or something?
My physics are not different from your physics. My sac305 is not different from your sac305. My 300-350 degrees c is not different from your 300-350 degrees c.
Such basic implacables are not a "strong opinion"
But, it's true that, having examined the basic facts and tried things myself, I have now arrived at a conclusion that is a rather strong opinion that the crybabying is nothing more than that. 63/37 is a little easier and that's all there is to that.
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#55I have the same problem with this as with retro youtubers using lead solder. Consumers are not the only ones that matter The people working in the factoriesare exposed to lead. The people at the mines are exposed to lead. The people in shuttered ghost towns like Pitcher Oklahoma are exposed to lead. The people transporting lead are exposed to lead. People working in recycling or waste management or landfills are expo…
Soldering doesn't involve boiling the lead in the solder. I worry more about the fumes from the flux than I do the solder. I just wash my hands afterward to make sure I don't ingest traces of it.
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#56Maybe I’m just too old, but I will never understand the brief viral Stanley popularity, or the viral inaccessible-lead-pellet alarmism.
A lot of my friends dads worked in coal power plants (they would be the guys climbing the stack for inspection and cleaning.
They all used Stanley mugs, usually the dark green one with a little detachable cup.
Such an uncanny valley for Stanley to suddenly the be the IT mom and influencer accessory, but it’s a well trodden path from work site to boutique (I think Carhartt, Suburban SUVs, many others I am sure).
Watching SNL, I have to ask: are they not leak proof? https://youtu.be/L2tUO2mp99Q?si=zVjGlxi-rcrMW2JC
We always just use Nalgene since you can’t lose the cap and they generally don’t leak but of course accept room temp water.
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#57I have the same problem with this as with retro youtubers using lead solder. Consumers are not the only ones that matter The people working in the factoriesare exposed to lead. The people at the mines are exposed to lead. The people in shuttered ghost towns like Pitcher Oklahoma are exposed to lead. The people transporting lead are exposed to lead. People working in recycling or waste management or landfills are expo…
As with anything in the manufacturing process, it depends how it's done. You can imagine it being done safely or dangerously, but either way, it's not a fact, it's something you imagined. Unfortunately, we usually don't know what safety procedures were followed or whether they're adequate. This requires insight into the whole supply chain. So, maybe it's better to be safe and ask for alternatives? But we don't know i…
Must not be from the midwest.
Gilman and Pitcher closed because the cities could not be decontaminated.
The Doe Run plant outside Saint Louis closed because they couldn't refine clean lead economically. Much of the city around it was bulldozed off and buried.
There's a difference between "we don't what safety procedures were followed" and "there's no such thing as clean lead".
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it is the ability to be influenced that should be studied and improved. I'm curious about what you mean by "improved?"
awkwardly worded to be sure after rereading if not just an incomplete thought. i would hope that we could improve our abilities to be less susceptible to the influence after studying. some of us seem to be impervious since we don't spend any time on the socials where these influencers live. others seemingly can't tell there's an influence at all. while others yet seem like they couldn't figure out how to feed themsel…
Why would it be good to be less susceptible to influence? If I have a misunderstanding about something, or fail to appreciate its merits, would I not want to be “influenced”? Is it only bad when you feel cool saying that you, homo rationalis, disregarded it?
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, but as someone who has had to use them, lead-free solders are garbage. They are difficult to work with, require higher temperatures to use, don't last as long, whisker and destroy equipment they're used in. This is all well known, it's not a mystery, and lead in solder is the least of the problems with lead in the world today.
How come I have no problem? Even with plain old sac305 let alone the supposedly nicer ones. From big old chunky point to point, to manually drag soldering 0.5mm pitch tssop. I have no problem doing something that you claim is impossible or too difficult, and somehow this makes me the crybaby? Ok. Frankly if it was me I wouldn't be so keen to tell everyone how weak and incapable I was. I grew up on leaded as we all di…
You're putting a whole lot of words in my mouth and setting up a whole field of straw men there. Good luck with that.
Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher
#60Some of these images are actually 3D models you can manipulate.
I point this out every time that page is posted because it's really easy to miss. They probably should give these a slow rotating animation to make it more obvious.