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Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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I would argue that the mateiral is not the pinchpoint of the housing crisis. Its the lack of land, or permits to build on said land. Edit I should say _affordable_ land. Or land that isn't blocked by nimbys

There’s plenty of land, it’s just typically zoned and used poorly, designed to accommodate cars instead of people.

49% of San Bernidino’s central city area is dedicated to parking.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Raise prop taxes for non-rented vacation units by 150% Raise prop taxes for rentals by %350. Raise prop taxes for airbnbs by %500. Everyone will own a home, and home prices will plummet as people try to unload extremely expensive property taxes. And if it doesn't work, double my percentages. Or just make it 100k per year. Those people crazy enough to keep holding them, will fund the creation of homeless housing. DV's…

Couldn't agree more. I'm tired of the HN crowd that espouses the benefits of building more supply, yet consider the AirBNB and rental-afflicted homes to be totally untouchable. Even worse are the ones that seem to strongly believe in environmentalism, yet have no problem tearing down forests to build more supply on them...for AirBNBs and rentals.

There are so many people that think drugs or poor decisions are leading to the homeless tents all over the place. The drugs and poor decisions are things that come AFTER going homeless. The studies are showing that rising housing costs have directly caused the homeless crisis. WE neeed to do something fast.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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There's a shortage of detached single family homes in desirable cities and suburbs. If you just want to rent an apartment there's an oversupply from overbuilding during the pandemic.

> There's a shortage of detached single family homes in desirable cities and suburbs.

You have this backwards, it's essentially physically impossible for this to not be the case. Past a certain point you just cannot squeeze more detached single family homes into a reasonable distance from a city. Single family homes, suburbs, and the required car-centric transit they require are massively space and transit inefficient. If you want there to be affordable detached single family homes within a reasonable distance to a desirable city your best bet is to push for increased density within and around the core of the city, with walkable streets and excellent public transportation. The increase in livability and affordability in the center encourages more people who might otherwise be pushed out to stay and leaves more single family homes for those who really want them.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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There's a shortage of detached single family homes in desirable cities and suburbs. If you just want to rent an apartment there's an oversupply from overbuilding during the pandemic.

There will always be a shortage of detached single family homes in desirable cities and suburbs, because that style of housing takes up a great deal of land. The only way out is up.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Owners holding vacant units is not a significant cause of the housing shortage. Overly restrictive zoning and subjective reviews exploited by NIMBYs explains almost all of it.

There are studies - there are more vacation units than homeless people in the United States - like double.

Those studies are so often flawed will pieces. Houses begging sold or between tenants are counted as vacant. Vacancies in rural Pennsylvania and Kentucky don't matter much for the homeless in Oakland.

What do you even do with that information? Ship the homeless around the country?

Other studies should that the higher the vacancy rate the lower the homeless rate and the cheaper housing is. So we can just allow people to build where people want to live and solve both problems.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Everybody will be paying more rent

If that happens, just raise prop taxes to 100k per year (for rental units).

For what it's worth - you come across as completely unserious if your suggestion to fix housing shortages is genuinely to levy a $100k tax for property owners who aren't currently renting out their units.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

#57
Every single major population center that has distorted (high) housing costs relative to income, also has very strong protections for the existing home owners (NIMBY).

"There are no coincidences..."

The solution is terrifyingly simple: don't allow existing residents to block new housing developments. If they don't like it, they can move.

This will probably never happen in the U.S., because the government no longer functions as intended.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

#58

To solve the housing crisis you have to build up like the Soviets and Chinese have. They housed a lot of people, quickly. It’s really not difficult; just takes some brave people to change the zoning laws and rethink some of the building codes combined with financing it.

But not like the UK and US social housing / projects. They need to be in master planned, well thought out and connected communities.

> But not like the UK

The UK's social housing scheme was/is a stonking success, right up until about 1980. it completely reset the minimum standard of housing from slums to actually decent. It wasn't all a success, skelmersdale and thamesmede sucked balls.

The problem with the uk's social housing came as follows:

1) the change from needing a job to have a council house to being a dumping ground for troubled families without support 2) removing the ability of councils to fund new housing 3) overly complex centralised funding of repairs and upkeep 4) selling off housing and then taking the money away that was needed to replace them

Thats very different to the "projects"

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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There are studies - there are more vacation units than homeless people in the United States - like double.

Those studies are so often flawed will pieces. Houses begging sold or between tenants are counted as vacant. Vacancies in rural Pennsylvania and Kentucky don't matter much for the homeless in Oakland. What do you even do with that information? Ship the homeless around the country? Other studies should that the higher the vacancy rate the lower the homeless rate and the cheaper housing is. So we can just allow people…

If you do the right "step-up" programs and purchasable housing becomes extremely cheap around the country, it will solve itself. There are a lot of homeless people in Oakland that if found out they can buy a house in Kentucky and afford it with a restaurant dish-cleaning job, they would move. Stop treating the homeless as "shippable containers" they have agency.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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I think that construction timber benefit as a Carbon sequester is too often downplayed or simply ignored while it could be significant.

Timber has many advantages compared to concrete, including longevity.

The housing shortage won’t last forever thanks to demography, but we’ll need to replace many badly aging buildings anyway, and it takes time to grow trees and build the whole infrastructure around this construction technique, we should try to not sit and wait for a change.

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