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ASML may be looking to leave the Netherlands

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Re: ASML may be looking to leave the Netherlands

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Post by Moldoteck »

vivekd wrote: post #46
Moldoteck wrote: post #36

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canada still mostly pays higher than eu

Are you serious - if that's the case EU is in serious trouble

Col in canada is higher too, weather usually worse, car dependency, so it's not like you'll live much better as a person, it depends on priorities. I was referring more to the fact that it's more expensive for a company to hire there while not getting benefits out of it. You can hire for much cheaper very good devs in poland/romania/spain/italy and somewhat cheaper in western countries like nl, de, fr, dk, norway, etc

Re: ASML may be looking to leave the Netherlands

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Post by hulitu »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #44
steve_gh wrote: post #39

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Overall, as the OP says, the key issue is demographic. That doesn't mean that the issues you note don't exist. The pressure on housing is very real, but much of it is due to an ageing population. Certainly in many places there is a lack of a suitable housing mix that enables empty nests to downsize once the kids have left home, but still remain in the same community. So they rattle round in oversized houses, leading…

>Overall, as the OP says, the key issue is demographic. Here's a weird thought: Maybe the EU could figure out what issues the locals are having preventing them from wanting kids, and fix them, instead of importing more migrants from impoverished nations, and calling it a day.

You can't ask a politician to think without offering him money. /s

Re: ASML may be looking to leave the Netherlands

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Post by beretguy »

prmoustache wrote: post #40
beretguy wrote: post #11

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Why is migration considered a good thing? Migrants are taking away jobs from locals. Moving places is hard, you leave family and friends behind. It’s better when everybody finds jobs locally where they live.

> Why is migration considered a good thing? Migrants are taking away jobs from locals. This is just not true generally. Migrants usually barely make up for natality rate reduction. Many migrants with low level of education usually fill low skilled jobs that most locals aren't willing to do. Those with high level of skills usually fill up markets that are in dire need of those skills anyway or can become entrepreneurs…

> Many migrants with low level of education usually fill low skilled jobs that most locals aren't willing to do.

Most likely because those low skilled jobs don’t pay enough.

Re: ASML may be looking to leave the Netherlands

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Post by beretguy »

notanormalnerd wrote: post #15
beretguy wrote: post #11

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Why is migration considered a good thing? Migrants are taking away jobs from locals. Moving places is hard, you leave family and friends behind. It’s better when everybody finds jobs locally where they live.

The EU overall is in a less than reproduction rate. With less than two kinds per woman on average. With the boomer generation going into pension now there are a lot of jobs left unassigned. At the same time people are getting better educated and strive for higher jobs. The notion that immigrants take away jobs is bullshit that has been fed to you by exactly those right wing shills. It's not the 2000nds anymore. We ne…

> that has been fed to you

Nobody fed me anything. I used basic logic to come to that conclusion.

Re: ASML may be looking to leave the Netherlands

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Post by ako »

vivekd wrote: post #50
ako wrote: post #49

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Globalization is exactly that, until there’s global equality of salaries. We’re seeing it at the moment where Chinese cars are taking over the market because they’re better priced than European or American alternatives. To compete they have to move production to Chinese, see for example the large production of teslas in china, or they replace humans by robots… The biggest problem with free markets is that it’s not re…

I don't buy that idea, an economy full of very poor people who can barely afford anything is not sustainable not at the national level and not at the global level. Countries with very low wages are also countries with very low productivity (throwing cheap labour instead of technology and expertise at problems)

Relationship between low wages and low productivity isn’t true, low wages are enabled by low costs of living. Cheaper employees can be more productive, and more expensive employees aren’t necessarily more productive. Or do you think every software engineer in SF is more productive than software engineers elsewhere?

Re: ASML may be looking to leave the Netherlands

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Post by vivekd »

ako wrote: post #56
vivekd wrote: post #50

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I don't buy that idea, an economy full of very poor people who can barely afford anything is not sustainable not at the national level and not at the global level. Countries with very low wages are also countries with very low productivity (throwing cheap labour instead of technology and expertise at problems)

Relationship between low wages and low productivity isn’t true, low wages are enabled by low costs of living. Cheaper employees can be more productive, and more expensive employees aren’t necessarily more productive. Or do you think every software engineer in SF is more productive than software engineers elsewhere?

Maybe not all but for the most part yes I do think software engineers in San Francisco are by in large more productive than software engineers in Kansas city.

Just like I think finance professionals in NYC are more productive than finance guys elsewhere.

There's a culture around that in those places and opportunities and tools that promote excellence in those fields in a way that is very difficult for someone acting alone.

Just like it's very difficult for a kid in Africa to become a Olympic runner while there are many African American sprinters too, the tools and training and instruction and mentorship is simply not available, the opportunity is not there for him to be able to reach his potential. And that often matters more than innate ability

Workers in many poorer countries are overcoming comparatively more barriers just to work, while in rich countries we have systems set up to help us be as productive as possible

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