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Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by userbinator »

rglover wrote: post #46
huytersd wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a matter of speed and delivery.

Speed and delivery of what, though? The religion of speed is blinding people to (what I thought was) the obvious trap of these tools: encouraging the incorporation of code the author likely doesn't understand into complex systems and just "trusting the robot is right." For an experienced developer this may be about productivity, but 100M ARR at Copilot tells me we've got novices yeeting whatever code the LLM gives th…

Prioritising quantity over quality is how this industry will destroy itself. Software quality was already in decline even before LLMs, blind trust in tools an existing growing problem, and things like this will only make things worse.

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by Workaccount2 »

jacob-jackson wrote: post #43
anigbrowl wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about just not having one? i am often interested to try things but I am not giving out my CC until I've tried it out, FOMO be damned. I don't want the burden of cancellation if I decide it's not for me, I've been burned before by forgetting and paying for a service I didn't want.

We think this is the most sustainable option because there is a cost to providing a quality service. We take a small loss on every user who cancels their free trial - more than a typical SaaS because AI models are expensive to serve.

Crossing your fingers that the user forgets to cancel is never "sustainable", it's predatory.

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by tbrownaw »

leereeves wrote: post #36
CrimsonRain wrote: post #6

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next you'll say I need a license to read your comment because I'm copying it in my mind. Crazy!

An LLM is not the same thing as a human mind and does not automatically receive the same exception to copyrights. Whatever you think makes sense, it would be wise to be careful, because the law might not turn out to be what you want it to be.

What exception?

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by rrrix1 »

CrimsonRain wrote: post #35
altruios wrote: post #17

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Asking what the training data was, is valid. Knowing what these AI are trained on is to everyone's benefit.

Your comment is correct but misdirected. I didn't say anything about OP's first question. Your comment is about that.

As a contrived example... If you train exclusively on AGPL source code, the probability of generating something identical to AGPL licensed code is likely non-zero.

This is a very important question.

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by csomar »

jacob-jackson wrote: post #43
anigbrowl wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about just not having one? i am often interested to try things but I am not giving out my CC until I've tried it out, FOMO be damned. I don't want the burden of cancellation if I decide it's not for me, I've been burned before by forgetting and paying for a service I didn't want.

We think this is the most sustainable option because there is a cost to providing a quality service. We take a small loss on every user who cancels their free trial - more than a typical SaaS because AI models are expensive to serve.

How about taking the CC but not subscribing the user. As in the CC is used only to verify the user but I have to subscribe once I consume my free credits (even though the CC is on file).

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by anonzzzies »

spdustin wrote: post #14

- No details at all on the official extension page in VSCode - I bite the bullet and try anyway - No immediate confirmation after setup - Only one configuration option (log file path) - After I start typing into a buffer, the onboarding notification requires sign-in - Sure, why not - "Link to IDE?" - heck yeah, let's finally go - Sign up for a trial - um... - Requires a CC for a 30-day free trial Respectfully, this i…

I have a card with $0 on it for this purpose. Services count on you forgetting to cancel instead of you liking the product per se. If I like it I change the card, but most products I don’t so they bounce. Works well.

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by FpUser »

cortesoft wrote: post #45
FpUser wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"when users browse for apps, it’s usually when their need for sth that solves the problem is relatively high. Which means you have a much higher chance of converting that user right now during onboarding than anytime later in the lifecycle of your app." I can't argue with this in general as I do not have the statistics. Personally however I just never give CC info unless I tried the thing and found out that it does…

So do you just end up with a lot of unsolved problems? I get the principal, but does it end up hurting you in practice? Or do you end up solving the problem with a free tool? If so, I guess the product wasn’t really needed.

>"So do you just end up with a lot of unsolved problems?

All the non free tools I use and paid for do provide trial version which lets me evaluate it without pulling out CC. Wake up and look around. Plenty of those.

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by hboon »

jacob-jackson wrote: post #12
falleng0d wrote: post #10

Impressed by the completion speed. It really changes everything... again. Do you have plans to add a chat feature and IntelliJ plugin?

Glad to hear it. We'll add an IntelliJ plugin next week. We may add a chat feature if we can make one good enough that we're happy with the quality.

Neovim? :)

Re: Show HN: Supermaven, the first code completion tool with 300k token context

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Post by zokier »

I'm not ML practitioner, so idk, but could we get generative tool that operates on higher syntatic level (e.g. AST) instead of interpreting code as just plain text? I feel it's so dumb that something like copilot generates code that is syntatically invalid, that feels like low bar for any code generation tool to pass?
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