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The case against caffeine

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Re: The case against caffeine

#51
I've found this out the hard way. I don't drink caffeine on days with meetings or drink it after the meetings end and it really helps with anxiety.

I've also started drinking decaf on some days and there's at least 1 day a week I don't drink any coffee at all. This gives my body a chance to reset.

Re: The case against caffeine

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A lot of dietary science is shaky, and I think we should accept that different people respond to various psychoactive substances differently. I don't have any reason to question the author's conclusions, nor doubt that others might have the same experience - even if it doesn't quite jibe with mine (I'm in this camp: https://twitter.com/danielcrosby/status/1534584565431296001 ). What doesn't sit with me is that the ar…

Agreed. Also, like all drugs and food in general, we all respond very differently to them, have different habits, different associations and different relationships with them. I personally had to quit alcohol, coffee and weed when I was battling a year-long stomach issue. I'm now on the other side and can confidently say that not drinking coffee was a net negative for me. I didn't feel more alert, I didn't sleep better and I didn't feel less anxious. In fact, I was generally much less alert and productive. My coffee habit is more or less where it was before my health issues. Alcohol wise, I'm also back at the same frequency but much lower volume. I like it but found that my perfect amount is 2-3 drinks, not 5-6. Finally for weed I've not gone back to it. It made me anxious and I don't miss it.

If someone else had gone through my experience, they may have come back to a completely different distribution of usage. And in fact I know many people who do various combination of the 3 because of the way each affects them. We're all different.

Re: The case against caffeine

#53

I quit booze a few years ago. It's a 10x improvement on my life. Quitting caffeine is probably not a 10x'er, but seems worth a go.

anecdotally I have taken breaks from both and taking a break from alcohol seems far more beneficial

Re: The case against caffeine

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post #24

Important to note: Not everyone has the same reaction to caffeine. And not all caffeine hits the same. What it’s mixed with matters. The caffeine in tea, for example, doesn’t have as many anxiety inducing effects because you also get a bunch of L-theanine, which has a calming effect. To the point that many modern energy drinks have started adding it to their formula. Personally I sleep fine with or without caffeine.…

Can't underscore how much better you sleep if you've done a good amount of physical activity. Truly nothing is better than lying down after a day of physical labor.

Re: The case against caffeine

#55
I don’t drink coffee, and even I found this completely unconvincing. I’m glad this guy discovered he doesn’t need coffee, and that he’s sharing that experience.

But IMO, including the Reddit comments makes his post less convincing/credible.

Re: The case against caffeine

#56
I have been drinking a lot of coffe my entire adult life. Many cups of really dark coffee. But a cup is small. And dark coffee doesn't necessarily mean loaded with caffeine. Nothing prepares you for the kind of watery-yet-caffeine-loaded juice you get at a US coffee shop. It's like they think someone would enjoy drinking a half liter hot beverage, and get half a lethal dose of caffeine. Even though I drink 5-10 cups a day, my body does not approve of even a medium (or whatever they call it - it's an insult to coffee sizes in any case) Starbucks coffee. I think if people just drink reasonable coffee cup sizes of reasonably coffeeine-loaded coffee, they don't need to have a rushing heart or any other bad side effects. If you have trouble sleeping then stop drinking after noon. I don't think many are reporting bad effects on sleep from drinking coffee only in the morning.

Re: The case against caffeine

#57

High amounts shrink the brain, increase dementia risk. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1028415X.2021.19... And very few people drink 1-2 cups. The travel mugs and typical coffee place cups are close to this danger range.

Of course non of the paper associations talks about causality, but lack of caffeine is probably a worse overall health association per this paper. More people don’t drink coffee at all than have more than 6 cups a day. From the paper:

“The association between coffee consumption and dementia was non-linear (Pnon-linearity = 0.0001), with evidence for higher odds for non-coffee and decaffeinated coffee drinkers and those drinking >6 cups/day, compared to light coffee drinkers.”

Re: The case against caffeine

#58

I had a very similar experience as this author. All throughout high school and college, I was prescribed Adderall. After graduation, I got a job, and realized Adderall wasn't good for me long term, so I switched to coffee. This alone helped with my anxiety, ability to sleep, and social interactions. After a while, I started to wonder if coffee is good for me also. So I quit cold turkey for a few weeks as an experimen…

How much did you drink? I found the same effect when I didn't know how to use coffee and drank at any hour, multiple times a day, from the office's coffee machine, and couldn't make it at home. Obvious result: bad sleep, anxiety, and a crash every weekend. They all got better after I quit, also obviously.

Then I looked into it more, bought my own press and grinder, started taking one cup a morning with the dosage I want, occasionally a small extra but nothing after 2PM. The effect is pretty nice. On average, I feel a bit better with it than without.

Re: The case against caffeine

#59
What we really know for sure is this – sleep is good, anxiety is bad. So, if you aren't getting good sleep, find ways to fix it. And if you are anxious all the time, find ways to fix it.

By one tradition that's thousands of years old – Yoga+Pranayama+Meditation (linking physical/mental_movement+breadth) and fasting + eating moderately (eat only if you are hungry and eat enough to quench hunger, and eat 'satvik' food) and cultivating positive thought patterns (practicing gratitude, humility, curiosity) is also known to solve for sleep and anxiety.

Coming to coffee, all coffee is not made the same way and everyone don't drink the same quantity per day either. And it doesn't have the same impact on everyone's body. So, it is best to avoid jumping to broad generalized conclusions based on a few anecdotal stories.

But, it is good for people to share their experiences and for others to consider them.

Re: The case against caffeine

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post #26

I quit Coffee one month each year (Ramadan while fasting). It has the effect of resetting my tolerance to caffeine. The first coffee after Ramandan feels more like Cocaine than Caffeine, almost like a superpower. However, I have to say, I don't see any difference in sleep quality with or without coffee. I just make sure only to drink coffee in the morning.

Doesn't that make the first few days of fasting miserable? Have you tried progressively reducing the dosage for a few weeks in preparation?
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