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Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by piskov »

w-ll wrote: post #36
piskov wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want your laptop screen be as thick as an iPhone? It’s just basic physics: you cannot have 1-inch sensor with a lens right on top of it in 3-5mm of total thickness. Just the same way your eye is not flat but 2cm long.

the camera protrudes on iPhones making them not sit flat, why cant they add a little bump to the outter shell of the top of the Macbook to fit better cameras? The options are 3rd party things to mount your phone that take up way more space.

You do understand that larger sensor means not only thicker package but also larger width?

Would you like 1cm black border around your display like it’s a pc from 2010?

Short answer: all this would make an ugly laptop.

That’s why they created belkin magsafe iphone camera mount

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by romwell »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #8

This is a very very long rant against a decision that seems entirely sensible to me. I specifically would not want any corporate-issued hardware happily chatting away with my personally-owned hardware, and I would encourage others to similarly keep their home and work life separate. If having an iPad (or a Vision Pro) would be useful for work, then their employer should issue one.

> I specifically would not want any corporate-issued hardware happily chatting away with my personally-owned hardware

Yeah, what kind of fool would plug in their own monitor into a corporate-own laptop?

Who knows what kinds of things they'll talk about! /s

Seriously though, you do you. What you specifically want is fine for what you have.

However, describing The Apple Way™ decision to only allow connections between devices that you own as sensible requires further justification (given a pretty expoistion in the article as to why it is not, in fact, sensible).

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by romwell »

atrettel wrote: post #50
LeoPanthera wrote: post #8

This is a very very long rant against a decision that seems entirely sensible to me. I specifically would not want any corporate-issued hardware happily chatting away with my personally-owned hardware, and I would encourage others to similarly keep their home and work life separate. If having an iPad (or a Vision Pro) would be useful for work, then their employer should issue one.

I'd go further and say that employers are also motivated to keep corporate hardware and personal hardware separate for security reasons. Allowing personal devices direct access to corporate ones is yet another attack surface. Separation of work and personal devices is a good policy for both employees and employer.

>Allowing personal devices direct access to corporate ones is yet another attack surface. Separation of work and personal devices is a good policy for both employees and employer.

True. Nobody would log into their work through their own, non-corporate-issued WiFi router, after all.

Right?

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by Aurornis »

whatever1 wrote: post #29

The fact that you cannot connect this to an HDMI device will be the death for this. Now they are hostages of Netflix, YouTube or any content owner. Had they have HDMI in, we would be able to just use a Roku stick to project 4k hdr Netflix content, or straight up project an 8k resolution Mac desktop.

> The fact that you cannot connect this to an HDMI device will be the death for this.

If people wanted a headset for HDMI content, they wouldn’t be spending thousands on a Vision Pro.

This feels like a case of “it doesn’t match my requirements and therefore nobody else should want it either”.

Vision Pro just isn’t for you.

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by macNchz »

davisp wrote: post #4

Who are these companies that either require a non-personal Apple Id or forbid a personal Apple Id? I’ve worked for startups and multinationals and never had an issue with my work machine allowing a personal Apple Id. Obviously I have to be personally ok with allowing work possible access to my Apple Id, but for me it’s an acceptable trade off given that they have access to everything I say on Slack, and if we’re bein…

> Obviously I have to be personally ok with allowing work possible access to my Apple Id, but for me it’s an acceptable trade off given that they have access to everything I say on Slack, and if we’re being honest, that’s the where the “HR needs a word” is gonna come from.

Strange sentiment to me...I can modulate what I communicate in company channels, but in absolutely no way would I ever consider it acceptable that a random person from my employer could access a huge amount of my personal information... iCloud contents might include phone backups, messages, emails, passwords, personal photo library, web history, bookmarks, notes, etc, synced in from all of your other personal devices.

I've learned firsthand the hard way that a small percentage of people are deeply unethical and completely untrustworthy. I can't optimize my entire life around avoiding them, but I certainly can make sure that if they happen to be an {IT employee, HR employee, higher-up} in my company, they won't have access to my personal things.

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by w-ll »

piskov wrote: post #51
w-ll wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the camera protrudes on iPhones making them not sit flat, why cant they add a little bump to the outter shell of the top of the Macbook to fit better cameras? The options are 3rd party things to mount your phone that take up way more space.

You do understand that larger sensor means not only thicker package but also larger width? Would you like 1cm black border around your display like it’s a pc from 2010? Short answer: all this would make an ugly laptop. That’s why they created belkin magsafe iphone camera mount

an iphone is not 1cm thick and I absolutely would not mind a buldge on the top of the screen, it doesnt change how the laptop would sit. and i think the iphone whith their protrudeing camera so that they wobble when placed screen up is more of a design crime. like some chair or table outside a cafe that wobbels, Steve is dead clearly in design

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by piskov »

verticalscaler wrote: post #45
w-ll wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real crime is Macbooks still ship with a 1080p camera when their ungodly huge phones ship with 48MP

The Macbook camera ships with the same chip as the iPhone 5S (2013). It has sufficient pixels for what it is meant for with most of the processing done in software. That last bit is key.

It’s not about the chip or sensor for that matter: it’s about the lens.

That’s why macbook from 2010-2013 has better camera quality: it has thicker display and more space for camera module.

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by atrettel »

romwell wrote: post #53
atrettel wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd go further and say that employers are also motivated to keep corporate hardware and personal hardware separate for security reasons. Allowing personal devices direct access to corporate ones is yet another attack surface. Separation of work and personal devices is a good policy for both employees and employer.

>Allowing personal devices direct access to corporate ones is yet another attack surface. Separation of work and personal devices is a good policy for both employees and employer. True. Nobody would log into their work through their own, non-corporate-issued WiFi router, after all. Right?

Well, yes and no. Most of my past employers only allowed VPN access for remote work, so the networks are in fact different. And I have had an employer that actually issued employees "SOHO" routers (routers always logged into the organization's VPN) to use with the company equipment at home. I never got one but they would issue you one if you asked. My point is that generally both employers and employers have good reasons to want separation here.

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by chrnola »

627467 wrote: post #39

> They employ a distinct brand of gaslighting and blaming-the-user that I have come to associate solely with them. > Curiously this limitation wasn’t enough to make me return the device, despite it being part of my justification for it. Why write such long winded post after considering the above quotes? In the end non of the considerations around work/personal apple id, MDM, etc matters when decisions are made purely…

For the record, I did not return my (4x cheaper) iPad. I didn’t ever buy a Vision Pro. Because of the Apple ID issue. I’m trying to convince Apple that they should care because they lost a sale.

Re: Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID

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Post by piskov »

w-ll wrote: post #56
piskov wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do understand that larger sensor means not only thicker package but also larger width? Would you like 1cm black border around your display like it’s a pc from 2010? Short answer: all this would make an ugly laptop. That’s why they created belkin magsafe iphone camera mount

an iphone is not 1cm thick and I absolutely would not mind a buldge on the top of the screen, it doesnt change how the laptop would sit. and i think the iphone whith their protrudeing camera so that they wobble when placed screen up is more of a design crime. like some chair or table outside a cafe that wobbels, Steve is dead clearly in design

iPhone is not only 1cm thick, it’s actually more: 1.275cm to be precise with the bump.

Also camera hole has a diameter of 1.6cm.

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