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Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by ed_balls »

justrealist wrote: post #47
danbruc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the project started in 1997 and began construction in 2005. And Merkel was among those that advocated for a different politics towards Russia, one that might have avoided the situation of today.

> one that might have avoided the situation of today ???? Merkel had her way 16 years, her politics are exactly what got us here. This is a ridiculous statement.

Recently I've been thinking there should be a term limit for PMs/Chancellors

Tatcher, Merkel, Putin - if they would have a 10 year limit, things would be much better.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by xn7 »

ed_balls wrote: post #51
justrealist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one that might have avoided the situation of today ???? Merkel had her way 16 years, her politics are exactly what got us here. This is a ridiculous statement.

Recently I've been thinking there should be a term limit for PMs/Chancellors Tatcher, Merkel, Putin - if they would have a 10 year limit, things would be much better.

Putin has “updated” term limits several times. For the UK and Germany, this makes sense, however.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by poszlem »

hartator wrote: post #12
poszlem wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building a gas pipeline with an adversary to disadvantage your eastern neighbors was likely a bad move.

Yes, destroying things is always the right side of history.

As much, as plotting with Russia over the heads of Eastern Europeans.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by poszlem »

miroljub wrote: post #6
poszlem wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building a gas pipeline with an adversary to disadvantage your eastern neighbors was likely a bad move.

Yes, it's much better when your eastern neighbours and an adversary hold you a hostage. With the help of your oversea "friend".

When you choose a deal with Russia to screw up you neighbours, who also happen to be in a political union with you, you are not the "innocent" part of the situation.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #19
Alifatisk wrote: post #14

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Was it the US?

No, current consensus is that it was likely the Ukrainians. They are the obvious suspects, but they were initially ruled out because it was thought they didn't have the capabilities.

I highly doubt the Ukrainians were capable of such an act, especially at that time.

What about Biden explicitly stating that the US will destroy the pipeline ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by MagnumOpus »

mistrial9 wrote: post #9

partnership announced with the Environmental Defense Fund https://www.methanesat.org/ there are a half-dozen such sensor missions. https://gee-community-catalog.org/projects/ogim/ MSFT announced a commercial partnership to do the same not long ago. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-and-accentu... In the USA, the news of other nations doing the same is not amplified. see GLOC 2023, Global Networking For…

Offshore rigs/wells/FPSOs are huge operations and ownership is relatively easily traceable for the people who can exert pressure (investors and governments). And generally it is the big operations that have the biggest leaks.

The bigger issue is whether the operator or their government has the funds or the willingness to do something about it... (E.g. Mexican president AMLO and PEMEX's leaking wells like Zaap C...)

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by poszlem »

danbruc wrote: post #50
justrealist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one that might have avoided the situation of today ???? Merkel had her way 16 years, her politics are exactly what got us here. This is a ridiculous statement.

Germany was among those countries that were against NATO memberships for Georgia and Ukraine in 2008.

Which makes sense, the plan in Germany was pretty straightforward: snag cheap gas from Russia, flip it for a profit to the rest of Europe, and juice up their manufacturing sector. Essentially, they were aiming to cash in big time, even if it meant stepping on the toes of their nearest neighbors by dealing with Russia—a country not exactly known for playing nice.

Their reasons were only economical, this wasn't really a plan to prevent Russia from threatening their closest neighbours.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by poszlem »

ed_balls wrote: post #51
justrealist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one that might have avoided the situation of today ???? Merkel had her way 16 years, her politics are exactly what got us here. This is a ridiculous statement.

Recently I've been thinking there should be a term limit for PMs/Chancellors Tatcher, Merkel, Putin - if they would have a 10 year limit, things would be much better.

History shows us that term limits mainly stop those who'd play by the rules from getting re-elected. The guys who couldn't care less about the rules? They'll just whip up a new law to extend their stay in power.

Putin being the prime example.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by bryanlarsen »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #55
bryanlarsen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, current consensus is that it was likely the Ukrainians. They are the obvious suspects, but they were initially ruled out because it was thought they didn't have the capabilities.

I highly doubt the Ukrainians were capable of such an act, especially at that time. What about Biden explicitly stating that the US will destroy the pipeline ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

A Der Spiegel investigation shows pretty convincingly that they had the capability.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/investigating-th...

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by fnordian_slip »

thinkcontext wrote: post #46
mgbmtl wrote: post #41

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Seems OK to me? Coal mining has been steadily declining, but oil/gas production keeps increasing (at least in the US/Canada).

Old coal mines can emit methane for a long time if not remediated. Many have been long abandoned or if there is a currently active owner they aren't able to cover the cost because they aren't viable. It will fall to government to do anything about it.

Same as with nuclear, you privatise the profit and socialise the losses. Nuclear and coal would have made way to newer forms of energy long ago if not for that imho.

Not saying that there haven't been and still are lots of subsidies for wind, solar and hydro, but it's obscene how much money has been given to the big players in "traditional" forms of energy creation.

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