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British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

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Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

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i'm certain that the feds can read my whatsapp. 100% zuck is ratting me out. every message. considering xkeyscore and prism are over 10 years old. can only imagine what things are like now.

especially with the push of whatsapp business, orgs can freely store ur messages to them. also by relying on the whatsapp metadata (the one where you can export by urself), it should be already good enough for feds agent to locate u. for the E2E itself, as non crypto guy, seems the open whisper paper implemented on whatsapp alr good enough?

> the open whisper paper implemented on whatsapp alr good enough?

i think wikileaks showed us that we cannot really trust anything when it comes to the sophistication of tech surveillance.

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#52
post #48
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even if you aren't doing anything wrong I mean... joking about bomb threats at an airport is not "not doing anything wrong". Should we throw the person in prison for it? No, of course not. Is it a dumb thing to do? I think so. Very dumb. > you should always use E2E encrypted communication I agree with that.

Joking about bombs in a private conversation with six friends who know it's a joke is different from joking about bombs where others might overhear. The kind of person who posts on HN might assume Snapchat isn't really private, but most people would not.

Well, the current evidence is that there's at least a reasonable chance that one of the friends wasn't in on the joke.

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#54
The only reasonable explanation I have is that he got flagged by Snapchat automatically who reported him to the authorities immediately. Even without E2E encryption, how would they intercept the message as the app is most likely communicating with the server via HTTPS or SSL?

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#55
Recently read The Making of Atomic Bomb & Skunkworks. Govt puts enormous amount of money & employees best people in given area to achieve their objectives. It's hard for me to imagine govt will be ok to have tech that they can't crack, they will find a way to crack. I am not saying we should be OK with it, but I don't see a path to make it happen. It can be made difficult with E2E and other tech but not impossible.

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#56
There's no need to speculate about encryption or surveillance.

"we may need to enforce our Terms and other policies. In some cases, we may also use or share your information to cooperate with law enforcement requests, escalate safety issues to law enforcement, industry partners, or others, or comply with our legal obligations."

https://values.snap.com/privacy/privacy-policy

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#57

So these people do not want to talk about and are generally unable to provide examples of their surveillance stopping an actual threat because "they do not want to give away their capabilities", but when they get shown up for being absolute fools by taking an obvious joke seriously, they have no problem starting noisy court proceedings? They were likely just so giddy that they finally got something , they didn't stop…

The people that gravitate towards positions of unrestrained power often seem to have an authoritarian bend. If there's an opportunity to use their power to be a hero, that will scratch the itch, but in the absence of that opportunity, they seem to readily turn their power on the rest of us.

A man's urge to be a Hero and save the day, and a bureaucrat's fear of losing reputation are a deadly cocktail.

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#58

So these people do not want to talk about and are generally unable to provide examples of their surveillance stopping an actual threat because "they do not want to give away their capabilities", but when they get shown up for being absolute fools by taking an obvious joke seriously, they have no problem starting noisy court proceedings? They were likely just so giddy that they finally got something , they didn't stop…

At least in the US a lot of the surveillance is probably illegal and cannot be used in court. They way they get around this is parallel construction. [1] Reuters had an awesome article about this a long time ago, which seems to have been removed from their site. [2] The NSA or whoever spies on somebody they're not supposed to be spying on. They see he's e.g. selling drugs, and further spying shows the time of a sell. They pass this onto a local law enforcement agency who then finds some sort of plausible justification to go stop/search the involved car. A cop, who just happens to have a drug sniffing dog, stops the car for 'driving erratically' or whatever.

If the intelligence agency revealed they were involved then not only could the person involved sue to get his own charges dismissed, but more importantly he could also sue the NSA to try to get the entire program scrapped. Countless entities (Wikimedia, EFF, and others) have tried to sue the NSA for this but it always ends the same way. They can't prove they were hurt by spying, or even that they were spied on, so the cases get tossed for lack of standing.

So they are actually being honest when they say they don't want to give away their capabilities, but that's because what they're doing is probably illegal. At least in the US, but I assume the UK must have something akin to the 4th amendment. To not have a government randomly spying on everybody is one of the foundations of a Free society. We were supposed to learn from KGB, Stasi, and so on. And maybe we did, but not the right lessons.

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[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

[2] - https://web.archive.org/web/20130806082051/http://www.reuter...

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#59
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snapchat boast about having a small turnaround for threats that they proactively scan for and forward to law enforcement. There is no mystery or need for intelligence skullduggery here.

so in other words there is no e2e encryption?

Do they claim it is?

Re: British intelligence able to read and flag private Snapchat messages

#60
post #22

One needs to ask themselves, what is more likely? 1. The /feds/ broke Snapschat's end to end encryption and they're monitoring for all traffic with designated stopwords, or... 2. One of his friends reported him, one way or another, or.. 3. Snapchat's end to end encryption is... not. I can't find any definitive statement that the chat messages themselves are E2EE, only that photos and videos are encrypted and the key…

https://values.snap.com/privacy/privacy-by-product

Snap doesn't mention encryption in regards to chat, only in "my memories"

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