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The Ph.D. Now Comes With Food Stamps

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Re: The Ph.D. Now Comes With Food Stamps

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"Why would colleges want to hire tenure-track professors if adjuncts can teach the same number of students for less money?" That is precisely the point. There is an oversupply of people willing to do the job and thus people are willing to do it for less money (teaching adjunct). If there were a shortage, then the university would be forced to pay more and give more benefits (hire tenure track).

There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread about what one another is saying. sparsevector said that colleges are not oversupplied, because there's a lot of demand for them. wtvanhest replied with a comment that sounds as if colleges are oversupplied, when in fact his evidence suggests that teachers are oversupplied. That's off-topic. So I was trying to point that out, and now you're repeating wtvanhest's arg…

I downvoted his comment while trying to upvote it. (android phone is hard to use hn on) which is probably why it went grey.

I am talking about professors since that is what the article is about and completely not worrying about colleges since that is off topic.

The entire point of the article is that a person who decides to get a PhD in history should be paid because they went to school for 4 years. To me, that concept is ridiculous and people don't get to be paid a lot for what they want to do in the absence of basic economic theory.

Too many professors, not enough demand = low pay. It sucks that person made that choice, but there are plenty of secretarial jobs which pay above poverty level which someone with a PhD in history could get.

Re: The Ph.D. Now Comes With Food Stamps

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> she could find a job to catapult her into the middle class in a matter of months. It's a choice on her end. On what basis is this assumption made? I'm genuinely curious because I think it reflects the attitude of many in certain segments in our society. The idea that poverty is a choice, and if they wanted to they could just choose their way out of it just like that. Keep in mind the context of the present age we'r…

That's all true and valid. I do believe there's a distinction between a person from an upper-middle class family, racially and economically privileged, who has the intellectual ability to get a Ph.D. and the typical welfare recipient. And even if a college degree doesn't guarantee anything nowadays, people with college degrees do have many more opportunities than those without. Which is reflected in, e.g., Medicaid a…

Different programs need different abilities. I have two family members who are currently completing 'go through the motions' higher degrees.

Re: The Ph.D. Now Comes With Food Stamps

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Ms. Bruninga-Matteau does not blame Yavapai College for her situation but rather the "systematic defunding of higher education." In fact, it is the systematic overfunding of higher education that has led this person to getting a degree that is worthless. Plus her own poor choices, of course.

Choices, in her partial defence, she did not make in a vacuum.

I'm willing to gamble that at least one person indoctrinated her with 'follow your dreams, and the money will come'.

Re: The Ph.D. Now Comes With Food Stamps

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"...with a Ph.D. in medieval history..."

Say no more.

She's just lucky she had a Republican governor to blame for her economic situation.

"Some are struggling to pay back student loans and cover basic living expenses as they submit scores of applications for a limited pool of full-time academic positions."

That's the real problem right there. If she went into higher education expecting to make a comfortable living from it, she should've checked her prospects first. I can't imagine there would be very many opportunities for a medieval history doctorate.

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This article is tailor made for a lot of Nelson Muntz-ish "HAHA"s. 1) Gloating over your own skills being in demand can be short-sighted. How many of the people here were thinking, "wow, I'm really passionate about medieval history, but I'll go into software development because that's where the big bucks are?" I'd hazard to say none: people choose to do what they enjoy, not what will make them money. Just because you…

> she could find a job to catapult her into the middle class in a matter of months. It's a choice on her end. On what basis is this assumption made? I'm genuinely curious because I think it reflects the attitude of many in certain segments in our society. The idea that poverty is a choice, and if they wanted to they could just choose their way out of it just like that. Keep in mind the context of the present age we'r…

The idea that poverty is a choice, and if they wanted to they could just choose their way out of it just like that.

There is of course no way to prove she has alternatives. But the article does not suggest she looked.

It's quite easy to judge most poor people in America, since most of them do choose to live off public assistance. Most poor people choose not to work, and if they do work, choose not to work full time. Bruninga-Matteau seems to fall into the latter camp.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswp2009.pdf

(In contrast, Stegall does seem rather more sympathetic, since he did attempt to find non-academic work.)

Re: The Ph.D. Now Comes With Food Stamps

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Medieval History, English, & Film Studies. I shouldn't throw stones, because my chosen discipline of Political Theory is not exactly a bustling field. But: what did they think they were getting into? Education for the sake of education is fine, but it is incredibly difficult to take care of a family when you completely ignore economics. Study what you love, sure, but don't expect that it will lead you to financial su…

They do exactly what people outside of academia do: look at those who came before. They see their advisors doing fine. Academia is weirdly deceptive in that way.

This is a silly excuse for anyone who started grad school after google was invented.

It's also a silly excuse for anyone in their 2nd year who ever spoke to a 5-6th year.

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