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In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

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Re: In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

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post #12

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DNS and Turnstile are separate products.

mostly bought together

Turnstile is one of a handful of Cloudflare products that actually has zero ties to a "zone" - it isn't associated with the DNS or CDN products whatosever. From what I know, it seems to be completely free for all uses, so it isn't really "bought" in the first place anyways.

Re: In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

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yet another example of DNSSEC "adding value"

By making it hard just to hijack a crucial TLD and transfer it over to an potential adversary without the cooperation of multiple trusted parties? It seems to me this is DNSSEC working as designed, and being remarkably flexible in doing so. Sometimes things _should_ be difficult to do.

Yeah I hate that people can't acknowledge that friction is sometimes intentional.

Not everything -should- be easy.

For example I designed a system at a previous company that used Shamir's Secret Sharing to protect a very very important root key. We used an intermediate of this key for most operations but it came time to rotate it and folks were surprised by the ceremony involved in doing so.

i.e the root key was decrypted using X of N members of the SSS group, a new intermediate generated and the special NUC that was designed for this purpose returned to it's safe (which was also using a Yubikey as like a mini-HSM too).

Those keys protected very important PII and I deemed this the minimum necessary friction, ideally I would have went further if that was tenable.

Some things really should be hard and that hardness should be proportional to how horrible the implications of someone unauthorized doing that thing.

Re: In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

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It is shocking how few people understand how DNS works

This being the top comment means there are enough people here smug because they know how DNS works. People who need to know generally know. Nobody can know everything and most people don't need to know how it works.

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Re: In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

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Is Cloudflare becoming increasingly powerful?

Not more than AWS, GCP, or Azure.

Not that I stay up at night worrying about Cloudflare, but Cloudflare is literally the Man In The Middle between the user and the instances running at AWS, GCP, or Azure.

Re: In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

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post #22

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Not more than AWS, GCP, or Azure.

Not that I stay up at night worrying about Cloudflare, but Cloudflare is literally the Man In The Middle between the user and the instances running at AWS, GCP, or Azure.

Unlike AWS, GCP or Azure themselves? You think the people who own the computers you use can't see whats happening on them?

Re: In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

#57

It is shocking how few people understand how DNS works

This being the top comment means there are enough people here smug because they know how DNS works. People who need to know generally know. Nobody can know everything and most people don't need to know how it works.

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Re: In 2023 operations for the .GOV TLD transitioned from Verisign to Cloudflare

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Not that I stay up at night worrying about Cloudflare, but Cloudflare is literally the Man In The Middle between the user and the instances running at AWS, GCP, or Azure.

Unlike AWS, GCP or Azure themselves? You think the people who own the computers you use can't see whats happening on them?

Isn't that the whole value proposition of Cloudflare?

Nearly all traffic (in terms of volume) gets swallowed by CloudFlare and never approaches most instances: DDoS attacks swallowed whole, WAF rules block illegitimate traffic (which is, in most cases, the vast majority of traffic to dynamic endpoints or, frequently, non-existent endpoints, if you've ever tailed webserver logs), and Cloudflare-caching handles most of the remainder for static and cacheable files -- leaving those servers with a mostly-sanitized and far lower volume of traffic. If you're using edge workers, even less traffic hits your servers.

But, yes, out of the remaining traffic that enters AWS/GCP/Azure's network, they certainly can see what's happening on those machines if they care to look.

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