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Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by echelon »

Why do companies try to compete in this space? The margins are thin and the giants have vast offerings.

The only thing I see winning against Google and Microsoft is some hybrid, open source local + cloud suite of tools. Something better than Thunderbird, more like Obsidian. A combination of native and cloud, working well across all platforms, integrated with a full suite of other productivity/office tools, but most importantly open source. Because I don't want to trust my data to some other tool that will just dry up and disappear.

That's a steep gradient to climb. Really steep.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by methou »

cc2562 wrote: post #50

And...this is why E2E encryption isn't enough to protect your data. E2E encryption + self-hosting + user-controlled keys is the way. For docs & stuff switched to Anytype a while ago, I think there are others that at least offer encryption + self-hosting: Affine, Joplin, Obsidian.

And trillium.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by RileyJames »

forwardemail wrote: post #31
ZydgQPiAtglF7N wrote: post #7

Ah stink. Time to move then. Can anyone recommend a privacy focused email provider that can run free or cheap custom domains?

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That’s awesome. I didn’t realise you did email hosting, maybe that’s new?

I’ve been using their email forwarding (paid) for a few years now. Great for side projects and any random domain I register. I immediately catch all to a domain@myprimarydomain.com so I have all my email in one place. Most of its bullshit and spam, but the few interesting reach outs are usually worth it.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by cc2562 »

echelon wrote: post #51

Why do companies try to compete in this space? The margins are thin and the giants have vast offerings. The only thing I see winning against Google and Microsoft is some hybrid, open source local + cloud suite of tools. Something better than Thunderbird, more like Obsidian. A combination of native and cloud, working well across all platforms, integrated with a full suite of other productivity/office tools, but most i…

Yep...E2E encryption just doesn't cut it when the company still owns your data & accounts on their servers.

I've adopted Anytype; encryption + self-hosting + open-source backend is rock solid.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by dcow »

Why would Notion shut down the email provider product? I understand sunsetting drive and rolling pages and calendar into Notion and Cron, respectively. But it would be pretty awesome if Notion had an email service. There’s nothing out there that’s as easy as Google Workspace (not even Proton’s suite—I use it personally) and I’d use Notion-plus-Skiff-and-Cron over Google Workspace any day. Huge miss…

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by loosescrews »

echelon wrote: post #51

Why do companies try to compete in this space? The margins are thin and the giants have vast offerings. The only thing I see winning against Google and Microsoft is some hybrid, open source local + cloud suite of tools. Something better than Thunderbird, more like Obsidian. A combination of native and cloud, working well across all platforms, integrated with a full suite of other productivity/office tools, but most i…

I think Dropbox and Slack/Salesforce might have a chance. I'd argue that Dropbox might need to enter the space in order to be competitive long term. Slack is already competing with email and Salesforce already owns an online office suite.

I think the only path small players have is as an acquisition.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by dcow »

Why would Notion shut down the email provider product? I understand sunsetting drive and rolling pages and calendar into Notion and Cron, respectively. But it would be pretty awesome if Notion had an email service. There’s nothing out there that’s as easy as Google Workspace and I’d use Notion plus email and calendar over google workspace any day. Huge miss…

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by acuozzo »

echelon wrote: post #51

Why do companies try to compete in this space? The margins are thin and the giants have vast offerings. The only thing I see winning against Google and Microsoft is some hybrid, open source local + cloud suite of tools. Something better than Thunderbird, more like Obsidian. A combination of native and cloud, working well across all platforms, integrated with a full suite of other productivity/office tools, but most i…

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