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HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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This is one of the many reasons that "parental rights" people are dead wrong. People as young as 12 should have the absolute right to seek and get, in confidence, this vaccine and other health care. Nobody should give any weight to whether their parents want them to not have this vaccine.

> as young as 12

Why the arbitrary line at 12?

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#52

It's so crazy/impressive to me that some vaccines are actually "prefect".

Many vaccines become 'perfect' by causing the disease they treat to die out in the local community.

It doesn't need to be perfect at the individual level to cause that - and in fact many vaccines at the individual level actually have pretty bad metrics - like for example only preventing half of cases.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#54

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As Winston said, "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFX4fmldZFs

Who makes money off people not getting vaccinated?

Sick people with life-threatening diseases are incredibly impressionable and a lucrative customer base.

… and dead people tell no tales. They can’t warn others against ineffective treatments and the preventive measures that they would love to have access to.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#55
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Does it make sense to get a vaccine for older ppl, like 30y, does this still apply for men?

Talk to your doctor, be honest about your sexual history and current situation. It made sense for me to get the vaccine, but may not make sense for all, or at least not make sense enough to be approved by your insurance.

A note about current sexual situation too: This first came out when I was in college. My (female) roommate wanted to get it immediately, even though she was very open about only having been with the man she was seeing at the time.

When I asked her about it, since it seemed like her risk of contracting HPV would be very low, she mentioned she was doing it to mitigate the risks she faced as a woman who was barely 5 feet tall and didn't weigh 100 pounds soaking wet. She said she already has to keep her head on a swivel against the possibility of assault, and she'd really rather not have to worry about a virus that could cause cancer in addition to that risk.

I had the privilege of not ever having had to pay much attention to the risk that my current sexual situation might change without my consent, but it was sobering to be reminded that was something that she had a reason to have on her radar.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#56

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The CDC doesn't recommend it. By that age, you've probably been exposed already. https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine-for-hpv.html > HPV vaccination is not recommended for everyone older than age 26 years. Some adults ages 27 through 45 years who were not already vaccinated might choose to get HPV vaccine after speaking with their doctor about their risk for new HPV infections and possible benefits of vaccination…

I don't understand why they recommend against it. I guess the monetary costs don't outweigh the benefits, but that's only if you care more about saving money than potentially preventing cancer. It's not like the vaccine going to hurt you. But the HPV vaccine is not particularly cheap, so it sounds like the insurance companies have lobbied against it or something. In my opinion men should also be vaccinated for it sin…

> I don't understand why they recommend against it. I guess the monetary costs don't outweigh the benefits, but that's only if you care more about saving money than potentially preventing cancer. It's not like the vaccine going to hurt you.

All vaccines have a nonzero risk of adverse outcomes. That can be as simple as the risk of physical injury due to incorrect administration of the needle. That's weighed against the risk of nonvaccination.

In almost all cases, the balance is so extremely skewed that it's safe to issue general recommendations in favor of vaccination. For HPV, the issue is that there's literally zero benefit after exposure, and it's difficult/infeasible to test for exposure, but from epidemiological data we know that most people over the age of 25 have already been exposed.

> In my opinion men should also be vaccinated for it

The recommendation is for all genders, and has been for well over a decade.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who makes money off people not getting vaccinated?

Plenty of people. In this case, it's pandering for votes/donations, but it's frequently to sell some alternative miracle cure or supplement. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/05/12/9936151... > That selling can be big business. One of the leading anti-vaccine advocates, Joseph Mercola, is believed to bring in millions each year through his companies, which sell an array of branded natural supplements, be…

If he only brings in millions, he's being trounced by the pharmaceutical companies that bring in billions. From a product that it's mandatory for children in some states to take, and for which pharmaceutical manufacturers are given special legal protection from liability. The perfect business model.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#58
post #10

This is one of the many reasons that "parental rights" people are dead wrong. People as young as 12 should have the absolute right to seek and get, in confidence, this vaccine and other health care. Nobody should give any weight to whether their parents want them to not have this vaccine.

Children have rights. Parents have responsibilities.

Vaccines are a medical miracle. Never except that being an anti-vaxxer (or a "vaccine skeptic", which is the sanitized name for the same thing) as being on equal footing. Vaccines are evidence-based. Anti-vaxxers are vibes-based.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Why did she believe that? I like to believe are politicians aren’t completely insane so what pseudo/bad whatever studies led her to believe vaccines cause mental retardation?

I believe the real reason she was against it was a widespread belief that HPV vaccination—considered a sexual health thing—was tantamount to encouraging promiscuity among recipients.

Her stated reasons were bullshit smokescreens.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#60
post #10

This is one of the many reasons that "parental rights" people are dead wrong. People as young as 12 should have the absolute right to seek and get, in confidence, this vaccine and other health care. Nobody should give any weight to whether their parents want them to not have this vaccine.

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