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Re: Wheel of a Delta Boeing 757 flew off while it was preparing to take off at ATL

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Had a physics teacher in highschool, worked on a submarine. Told me that with government equipment like submarines, workers replace parts based on dates regardless of the wear and tear of the part. "If this screw is supposed to last 10 years, we're ordered to replace it in 7 years regardless of the condition." With for profit companies, they'd try to push the parts to last 12 years instead of 10 by inspecting them an…

I've heard the word AI being used around this before... and it scares me.

Why?

It’s just a marketing term. Most predictive maintenance models are ML or statistical learning models and have a great track record. Some call it AI to sound hip (you can any ML model AI these days) but it’s probably just a standard model from reliability engineering.

Re: Wheel of a Delta Boeing 757 flew off while it was preparing to take off at ATL

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All airliners occasionally have problems with wheels and/or tires. And occasionally have cracked window glass. And occasionally have engine failures. And occasionally have pressurization problems, Read avherald.com for a few days and you'll see that it happens to Airbus, Boeing, Embraer, Bombardier, and others. And with the number of flights worldwide, some kind of problem serious enough to cause a return to the aipo…

And all airliners ocasionally have two complete-loss crashes a few months apart? (346 people died in two similar crashes: Lion Air Flight 610 on October 29, 2018 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 on March 10, 2019) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings

All that grandparent comment is saying is that this specific news story is a nothing burger, not that we should ignore other, bigger issues. In fact, they're saying that mentioning small issues like this is a red herring and a distraction. Presumably they agree that the recent Alaska Airlines door plug mishap and the total losses you mentioned are important.

Re: Wheel of a Delta Boeing 757 flew off while it was preparing to take off at ATL

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That's highly unusual. How do their cars move?

Not sure if I missed your joke. But this is probably a joke based on the spelling of the word being British. So Americans use tires and the British use tyres.

I wasn't joking, I'm not going to use the American spelling just because I'm talking about how Americans use the word. They really do use "wheel" and "tyre" interchangeably.

Re: Wheel of a Delta Boeing 757 flew off while it was preparing to take off at ATL

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You're right, they do. And I'm certainly no expert, but I have a more difficult time imagining a tire coming off the wheel intact without some catastrophic "blowout" impeding it's ability to smoothly roll than I do imagining a whole wheel coming off.

Leak, low pressure becomes no pressure, various lateral forces encouraging the tire to fold this way and that under mass, and soon enough the tire alone escapes its tormentor (because it’s being bent and pushed in ways similar to those that originally encouraged it to pop onto the wheel) and scurries away toward an unsuspecting fence.

Well, I did say that I was no expert. This explanation makes sense. Thank you.

Re: Wheel of a Delta Boeing 757 flew off while it was preparing to take off at ATL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if I missed your joke. But this is probably a joke based on the spelling of the word being British. So Americans use tires and the British use tyres.

I wasn't joking, I'm not going to use the American spelling just because I'm talking about how Americans use the word. They really do use "wheel" and "tyre" interchangeably.

I'm an American, and I disagree, mostly. I've never heard someone say a "flat wheel"; it's always flat tire. Also if an American says a wheel came off when they mean a tire, they misspoke/misunderstand what they are talking about. There are plenty of Americans that know next to nothing about their vehicle despite it usually being the most expensive or second most expensive thing they own.

Disclaimer: Midwest USA here, can't speak for other parts of the US.

Re: Wheel of a Delta Boeing 757 flew off while it was preparing to take off at ATL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't joking, I'm not going to use the American spelling just because I'm talking about how Americans use the word. They really do use "wheel" and "tyre" interchangeably.

I'm an American, and I disagree, mostly. I've never heard someone say a "flat wheel"; it's always flat tire. Also if an American says a wheel came off when they mean a tire, they misspoke/misunderstand what they are talking about. There are plenty of Americans that know next to nothing about their vehicle despite it usually being the most expensive or second most expensive thing they own. Disclaimer: Midwest USA here…

Here is a sample of common Americans casually referring to wheels as tyres, which I found from less than a minute of googling.

https://www.espn.com/racing/story/_/id/37768342/fan-vehicle-...

https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/13ww9d1/fan_with_ve...

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/14yprzk/ot_tire_c...

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/13utnr9/...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/s8lsjk/my_ti...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/10i5rmf/my_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/2qwxyj/a_tire_just_ca...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/te2dle/my_t...

https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/16p1z0...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=301598278822335

https://myfox8.com/sports/nascar-motorsports/indy-500/tire-f...

https://www.nascar.com/videos/franchise/nascar-cup-series-hi...

Re: Wheel of a Delta Boeing 757 flew off while it was preparing to take off at ATL

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post #48

Had a physics teacher in highschool, worked on a submarine. Told me that with government equipment like submarines, workers replace parts based on dates regardless of the wear and tear of the part. "If this screw is supposed to last 10 years, we're ordered to replace it in 7 years regardless of the condition." With for profit companies, they'd try to push the parts to last 12 years instead of 10 by inspecting them an…

It’s called predictive maintenance and it is the norm in many critical industries. Replacing equipment every fixed number of X years (no matter what the condition of the equipment is) is wasteful, costly disruptive and does not actually guarantee better reliability. (although it makes people feel better). Most predictive maintenance is done with data — updated sensor data processed through a mathematical model derive…

That's true, but also beside the point.

Flatcircle's point wasn't really predictive maintenance vs. fixed lifetime, it was about government using conservative design margins vs for-profit industry's riskier design margins.

Predictive maintenance lets you achieve a better cost-vs-risk curve, but the organization still needs to select a point somewhere along that curve.

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