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Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Personal space” for anyone below the rank of, say, a duke is a very recent trend

Not having dukes around, along with higher global avg prosperity, is also a very recent trend. And seemingly a pretty good one.

Yeah. Screw dukes.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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I am always surprised how far pop "science" articles are willing to stretch the medieval period. 19th century, really?

The medieval period normally ends at around 1500. There is like one 13th century source in the article, the rest hat NOTHING to do with the medieval period at all.

Not to mention these beds seem to have been mostly popular in Britain and maybe some parts of continental Europe and are absolutely not typical for how medieval people slept in most of Europe.

Also the whole lacking space and multiple people sleeping together in one bed for lack of it thing: yes Victorian era maybe, in the Middle Ages with low population density, surely not typical.

This is absolutely bogus science and BBC should be ashamed writing such crap.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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post #48

We often forget just how revolutionary proper insulation and central heating really is. For example in many climates castles were not great places to live in. You simply can't heat that amount of stone and space effectively. And similar thing also went to most buildings.

That is not completely true. The problem is that stone is what survived the centuries while the wood that was used to make the rooms more comely did not hence our modern picture of cold and windy castles.

They were not as luxurious as our modern living but people still did their best to make their living spaces comfortable. They didn't just sit in windy castles freezing their butts off every day. Most of the huge stone rooms we see now were actually separated into smaller wooden chambers that were much easier to heat.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

#55
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the current culture bedrooms are more than simply a place to sleep. In multi-member households, a bedroom is typically a person's only personal space.

The newest term is "Owners Retreat" Imagine a large American 2 story house, where the "Owners Retreat" is on the first floor, a single bedroom, bathroom, multiple cosets sometimes with a small separate kitchenette, laundry, and reading/tv/living space.

> The newest term is "Owners Retreat"

This makes a lot more sense for what I'm planning to build. We're used to calling it "Master bedroom" where I'm from, but I always imagined I'd want some sort of suite or apartment, separate from the rest of the house.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

#56

It's bad because you are isolated. You need to get grounded in order to sleep properly: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15650465/ Big fluffy beds way off the floor are bad. It's interesting to note that the above finds it most effective for women. The below is most effective for men. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10105021/ It shouldn't actually matter your sex. To add, buddhist monks must sleep on the…

> It's bad because you are isolated. You need to get grounded in order to sleep properly: > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15650465/ This was published by the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, which has also published articles on how homeopathy is effective. I don't know that I would consider it a high quality source.

I noticed the same thing, but this makes me more concerned: the link has nih.gov in it. Usually when I read articles from that URL, I tend to put a bit more trust in them than say healthline.org or some blogspam or something like that. Does this mean I have to start taking nih.gov articles with a grain of salt too?

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

#57

When I was young and had a bunk bed it was pretty normal to box the lower bunk in with sheets, cushions from the couch — whatever — just to make it into a cave-like thing. Suddenly I want something like this again.

Bed-tents are a thing

We got these for our kids, and they were awesome. Wife and I immediately wanted one, until we got inside and realized it got HOT.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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post #48

We often forget just how revolutionary proper insulation and central heating really is. For example in many climates castles were not great places to live in. You simply can't heat that amount of stone and space effectively. And similar thing also went to most buildings.

That is not completely true. The problem is that stone is what survived the centuries while the wood that was used to make the rooms more comely did not hence our modern picture of cold and windy castles. They were not as luxurious as our modern living but people still did their best to make their living spaces comfortable. They didn't just sit in windy castles freezing their butts off every day. Most of the huge sto…

Do you have a cite for this? Not because I don't believe you, I just think this is super interesting and would like to learn more, especially if there are illustrations etc of what it would've been like?

Not a history buff, wouldn't know where to start looking...

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

#59

These remind me of one of Christopher Alexander's design patterns. He said children's rooms should be actually a room with a shared play space in the middle and cubbies built into the walls on the side with curtains for privacy.

I'm away from my copy but I'm pretty sure beds in alcoves is explicitly called out, not just for children.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

#60
post #43

For me, one important bit is missing. > Alcoves were hygienically problematic, as the straw was sometimes only rarely changed, ventilation was poor and food supplies were often stored under the alcoves in farmhouses. To combat tuberculosis, the Baupolizei [government institution in germany responsible for building codes] took action against alcoves from the end of the 19th century. In the Free State of Oldenburg, the…

I was thinking about this exactly when reading that piece.

Several people sharing a closed space for sleeping seems to be the perfect way to spread diseases as well as parasites.

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