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Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by altairprime »

Everyone thinks it’s personal when anti-abuse automation detects token reuse and blocks the hardware ID that issued it. It’s not. It’s just an HSM-secured communications network, same as Xbox consoles use for their player messaging network, complete with the anti-abuse automation that can lead to hardware bans.

It’ll be interesting to see how hard Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony fight against any attempt to open up iMessage. They each depend critically on the right to block devices by device identifier using automation, and if a ruling is found against Apple in this matter, all hardware identifier enforcement is now voidable, which will destroy some of the value of their paid subscription services and worsen the safety of those services.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by larubbio »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #43
cosmin800 wrote: post #17

I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?

From an average consumer perspective (not a HN user perspective): It just works. As soon as I log into my Apple account on any Apple device I can access all of my messages, and seamlessly carry on a conversation on whatever device is at hand. It works with SMS as well, and I just don't have to think about it. I know that WhatsApp is similar, but their desktop app, especially authentication, kinda sucks (I need my pho…

> It works with SMS as well, and I just don't have to think about it.

I have a mac laptop and an android phone. My son has an iphone. Half of his responses to my text messages go to my phone, the other half go to my laptop and I miss them. This is a major problem, imessage shouldn't be greedy about grabbing messages, especially when replying to an SMS. I've missed picking him up from places because I didn't get the reply.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by crazygringo »

ericzawo wrote: post #16

Went from "Here's to the crazy ones" to "we'll punish our customers for not jumping how we say" in 30 years.

I highly doubt they're "punishing" customers or even "retaliating" like the article says.

They've always banned iMessage access that they determined to be compromised. It's part of security and preventing abuse.

It just probably took a couple weeks for their automated system to detect.

Hopefully affected users can get it working again on their Macs via customer service, if they even care.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by nurtbo »

troupo wrote: post #22
cosmin800 wrote: post #17

I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?

Of all the messengers I have and my friends and family use iMessage is easily the worst designed one (well, Viber is probably worse), and no one I know uses it

What are its design problems?

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

troupo wrote: post #22
cosmin800 wrote: post #17

I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?

Of all the messengers I have and my friends and family use iMessage is easily the worst designed one (well, Viber is probably worse), and no one I know uses it

Why do you consider it bad?

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by dghlsakjg »

rustcleaner wrote: post #31
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus completely missing the point of this product’s entire existence and value proposition. This is not helpful and bordering on snarky. ‘Take note’ that people are well aware of the existence of other messaging services. They don’t want them. They want iMessage. The kid saying that they’re using “Tox on a Google Pixel running GrapheneOS” is sitting by themselves during recess whether you like it or not.

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In all honesty, this kind of discourse is insulting to the target audience, and not going to win over anyone to your cause.

If you call the people you are trying to convince "idiots, rubes, and otherwise "consumer"-personality types" then they stop listening after that point. Which is probably fortunate since you called for a "digital 9/11". Call me crazy, but I don't want a repeat of an event where thousands of people died, leading to two wars where hundreds of thousands or millions died just so I can get more open computing.

You know who hasn't called me an idiot or a rube? The makers of iMessage. In fact, they offer free lessons on how their products can be used to make my life better. I can buy grandma an iPad, and for no extra charge, they will spend hours with her to get her set up and seamlessly sending me messages. They won't talk down to her, they won't lecture her in internet slang, they won't compare her to moths drawn to a bug zapper for using an alternative. I-devices are expensive, sure, and there is a mild lock-in effect with iMessage/cloud, but most people are pretty happy to be locked in. If iMessage goes away, I still buy an iPhone and use a Mac, because the hardware works for me.

Truth be told you aren't using mimetic warfare to plant ideas (or at least not the ideas you think you are planting). You are associating your cause with superior attitudes, insults, and unfriendliness.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by nulld3v »

eek2121 wrote: post #7
pram wrote: post #2

Yeah this isn’t surprising, I’ve had this happen to hackintoshes over the years. Apple has always had the ability to ban serials from iMessage afaict, and it also (seemed) to be some automated process. It was frankly pretty risky to tell people to use their real machines for this.

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I actually think this is a decent idea. Worst case it causes global service disruption which would reveal some pretty serious security flaws with iMessage.

All the hackers have to do is make sure they don't get arrested under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and get thrown in jail for 20 years!

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by troupo »

nurtbo wrote: post #54
troupo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the messengers I have and my friends and family use iMessage is easily the worst designed one (well, Viber is probably worse), and no one I know uses it

What are its design problems?

off the top of my head:

- all useful interactions are hidden behind useless slow animation and multiple additional clicks

- photo selection is an awkward double scroll

- stickers are tied to external apps, cannot be searched, take ages to load when you switch between sets

- link unfurling and file previews are hit and miss, often take ages to happen

- pinned chats are useless awkward circles that take up space instead of being actual pinned chats

- continuously broken on MacOS (photo selections, unread status synchronizations, keyboard shortcuts etc.)

And it's a key app they have on two platforms.

Compare that to Telegram which exists on 5 platforms and web, developed by just a handful of people, and has everything and more.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Post by troupo »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #55
troupo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the messengers I have and my friends and family use iMessage is easily the worst designed one (well, Viber is probably worse), and no one I know uses it

Why do you consider it bad?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39007004
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