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Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

UncleMeat wrote: post #49
BuckYeah wrote: post #34

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, affirmative action was a red herring meant to distract from the real barrier to multigenerational economic-growth. It’s always been about money/class. Diversity matters, but would politicians have voted against the interests of their own progeny? I think not.

I'm not so cynical. Affirmative Action is generally a policy with good intentions behind it (addressing historical inequity) but is limited because institutions are not willing to take steps that address the full breadth of inequity. I do not believe that Affirmative Action was some sort of cover to get institutions out of the spotlight.

This is a “no true Scotsman” argument; DEI didn’t work because we did it wrong, so we must keep increasing DEI.

Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by telotortium »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #23
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Texas and Georgia are states huge numbers of people would never consider moving too because of their horrific politics - a rather direct reflection of the average.

Yes, there are a handful of policy areas where the politics really do matter -- if you need it, did the state sign up for Medicaid expansion? If abortion may sadly be necessary, is it legal there? -- but I think in most areas, day to day life is no more oppressive in those states, and frequently the demographics are no less diverse (they are often more so). We need to keep in mind the magnitude of coercion, or even o…

Honestly, for abortion, if it's that important to you and you have the capacity to get a professional job there, you have the capacity to book a flight to California etc. to get an abortion, or even just get abortion pills mailed to you from a Silk Road-like site.

On the plus side, for the rest of your life, including especially if you actually want to raise a child, red states are much better in most ways unless you have a very high salary in a coastal blue state (or your income is low enough to get benefits from the blue states, but your income won't be low enough if you're a professional).

Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by supertimor »

telotortium wrote: post #53
FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, there are a handful of policy areas where the politics really do matter -- if you need it, did the state sign up for Medicaid expansion? If abortion may sadly be necessary, is it legal there? -- but I think in most areas, day to day life is no more oppressive in those states, and frequently the demographics are no less diverse (they are often more so). We need to keep in mind the magnitude of coercion, or even o…

Honestly, for abortion, if it's that important to you and you have the capacity to get a professional job there, you have the capacity to book a flight to California etc. to get an abortion, or even just get abortion pills mailed to you from a Silk Road-like site. On the plus side, for the rest of your life, including especially if you actually want to raise a child, red states are much better in most ways unless you…

>”On the plus side, for the rest of your life, including especially if you actually want to raise a child, red states are much better in most ways…”

Well unless your a woman with pregnancy complications that are life threatening. Then your out of luck. Hopefully you can catch a flight to California in time before you go into septic shock.

Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by [deleted] »

pcwalton wrote: post #50
rayiner wrote: post #18

> Amanda’s daughter Marie attended private school, speaks Mandarin, had an unweighted GPA of 4.1, and earned a 1560 on the SAT… Marie currently attends a university that did not make the U.S. News & World Report list of top-50 public schools How is it possible not to get into a state flagship with a 1500+ SAT? If I was white or Asian with college aged kids I’d move to Texas or Georgia.

Bad idea re. Texas. UT Austin is extremely difficult to get into nowadays.

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Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by ddd000012 »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #20
rayiner wrote: post #18

> Amanda’s daughter Marie attended private school, speaks Mandarin, had an unweighted GPA of 4.1, and earned a 1560 on the SAT… Marie currently attends a university that did not make the U.S. News & World Report list of top-50 public schools How is it possible not to get into a state flagship with a 1500+ SAT? If I was white or Asian with college aged kids I’d move to Texas or Georgia.

Texas and Georgia are states huge numbers of people would never consider moving too because of their horrific politics - a rather direct reflection of the average.

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Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by dctoedt »

pyuser583 wrote: post #21
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Texas and Georgia are states huge numbers of people would never consider moving too because of their horrific politics - a rather direct reflection of the average.

Texas and Georgia both have massive immigration from other states. People vote with their feet.

> Texas and Georgia both have massive immigration from other states. People vote with their feet.

The technical term for this is "race to the bottom," abetted by short-term thinking on the part of "customers." It's similar to how people complain bitterly about the quality of air travel, but then go for the lowest-possible air fare.

(OK, the actual technical term is "revealed preference vs. expressed [or stated] preference.")

Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by credit_guy »

whateveracct wrote: post #46
credit_guy wrote: post #36

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> I would've gotten at MIT (where I did get in). Not sure I follow. You got admitted at MIT and decided to go to a Big-10 school? Is Big-10 the Big Ten Conference, with Ohio State and U Michigan? You really did that? Have you ever seen this ? https://sfs.mit.edu/undergraduate-students/the-cost-of-atten... > 58% of full-time undergraduates received an MIT Scholarship during the 2022–2023 academic year. Among those, th…

1. My contribution was even lower. No need to take out a single loan. 2. I (and my parents) actually did dig into the real cost. It was more than that. It was doable but with loans and/or my parents dipping into funds well beyond their college savings for me. Not sure I would've gone even if the costs were closer tbh. Culture fit is important.

> Culture fit is important.

If it was not a fit, why did you apply to MIT? 99% of people who apply to MIT are people who are absolutely hungry to get into MIT. I never heard about anyone accepted at MIT and turning it down because they realized it was not a good cultural fit for them.

What exactly was the cultural issue that you didn't like? People being rich? The MIT crowd is not rich. If you travel the one mile or so from MIT to Harvard, you'll immediately see the contrast between MIT kids and Harvard kids. MIT is definitely a place for hard working people from all backgrounds, and if anything, the rich are underrepresented.

Re: Kids of parents making $158.2-222.4k/yr have worst odds of Ivy League acceptance

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Post by pyuser583 »

dctoedt wrote: post #57
pyuser583 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Texas and Georgia both have massive immigration from other states. People vote with their feet.

> Texas and Georgia both have massive immigration from other states. People vote with their feet. The technical term for this is "race to the bottom," abetted by short-term thinking on the part of "customers." It's similar to how people complain bitterly about the quality of air travel, but then go for the lowest-possible air fare. (OK, the actual technical term is "revealed preference vs. expressed [or stated] prefe…

People leaving the Bay Area for Austin and Georgia is hardly a race to the bottom.

The Bay Area has insane housing costs because of toxic zoning regulations.

Austin is a firmly blue city with extensive public services.

The parts Georgia Bay Area folks are moving to are similar politically and socially.

A better description is “people who value a well run city leave their poorly run city and move to a well run city.”

Corporations doing business in the country with the least environmental regulation is a race to the bottom.

Big corporations opening campuses in lightly populated suburbs is a race to the bottom.

Ships flying flages of convenience in third world countries is a race to the bottom.

People leaving a poorly run place to a well run place is not a race to the bottom.

When a person moves from the Dominican Republic to New York, that’s not a race to the bottom.

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