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Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare

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Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare

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GPS was trivially attackable from inception, that was not a design requirement given its purpose. The purpose of GPS was to precisely measure the planet in peacetime. A unique core capability of the US military is extremely precise INS technology, the capabilities and precision of which are closely guarded secrets and under continuous R&D. The precision of INS is dependent on the precision of your world model. GPS al…

Most of the basic attacks against GPS also worked against TRANSIT, LORAN, OMEGA, and others, which were clearly used for military navigation. I'm not seeing the design differentiation with the systems that were guiding ships and missiles.

All US military navigation systems use INS pervasively for primary navigation. You can attack GPS, LORAN, etc and it won't affect their operations. This has been axiomatic in the design of those systems for many decades. US military ships are no different, also using INS for primary navigation. As with every other US military system, they can conditionally accept fine-tuning inputs from GPS and other untrusted sources of navigation data because why not. They use a lot of open source data sources, but they don't need them or trust them.

Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare

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The author seems to believe that GPS is the only and primary form of navigation. Pilots in the US are trained from day one to use landmarks and dead-reckoning. From there the skills are built upon to where I believe it would be difficult to push a crew to such a gross navigational error that it causes disaster. I’ll need to read the article more closely but it appears to be a lot of fluff and leaves out the many laye…

Commercial traffic flying at 30-40 thousand feet is not flying VFR typically. And of course spotting landmarks through cloud cover or at night is not a thing. But you are right that spoofing would largely just be annoying. Commercial traffic is usually in contact with a controller and monitored on radar. So, any course deviations would result in controllers asking what they are doing and be followed by them simply ve…

I’m well aware of the methods used for navigation and the technological changes over the last decade or two.

My point is that US trained pilots have an exceptionally strong foundation of the fundamentals and are very unlikely to fall prey to a misguided GPS signal. The spidey senses will be tingling is essentially my argument.

A generation or two from now that may become more of an issue as primary training is beginning to move away from the fundamentals and is bracing technology.

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