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Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…
It really shouldn't matter. There are MANY Max variants, and the airlines have already taken the 'questionable' units out of service.
Surely the author should now buy ismyplanea737max9.com, no?
The FAA has grounded all of them, but there is an inspection plan in place so they might be flying again soon. https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/updates-grounding-boeing-737-ma...
Are you less safe on a 737 MAX than driving to the airport in a car? Genuinely curious, I’m trying to understand if this whole saga is statistically significant.
I didn't bother calculating the rate for driving to the airport, but eyeballing the figures for cars, it's probably as about as dangerous if you assume that the 737 Max were 10x more dangerous than average flying. Cars are still more dangerous than planes on a per-mile basis, but at the same time you're also traveling less miles on the car trip compared to the flight. Regardless if you hit a 5 minute traffic jam, you'd lose about the same amount of life as flying in a 737 Max (again, assuming it's 10x more dangerous than regular air travel).
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I've heard a lot of people say this in these comment threads, and I think this glosses over the actual issue: safety is getting worse, not better or even staying the same. So it's MORE statistically significant than it was. The trend is heading the wrong way. Air safety going down is a trend you want to stop ASAP. Not wait around until it's just as dangerous as something else like driving your car.
That's true, but the question might be whether you personally should be worried if you find yourself on a 737 Max.
Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…
When you or I wreck, how many people are injured? How much control did we have over those situations? When a plane crashes, how many people are injured? How much control did the passengers have?
The fact that this is an actual concern is wild and shows the depth of Boeing's problems.
I was trying to gauge how an insider viewed the Max problem related to the auto trim issue which caused two airplanes [1][2] to crash, killing 346 people. This was shortly after watching the documentary Downfall: The Case Against Boeing [3].
The ignorance and non acceptance of fault made me cringe. I won't go into the details, but this wasn't a freak accident this was due to human decisions. They cut corners on how to modify an aircraft to compete with Airbus, and then doubled down to not pass down training to pilots on their hack of a fix, since it would be an increase in costs on their customers (i.e. the plane becomes more expensive to operate due to extra training for pilots).
I am doing my outmost to avoid any new planes from Boeing (higher risk with new airplanes). I've also simply started flying less.
The Boeing fiasco is what 2nd world / 3rd world corruption looks like in the west. profit interests above safety, and regulatory capture of the FAA. Also anti competitive or anti free trade practices by the US Department of Commerce [4].
1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610
2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302
3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall:_The_Case_Against_Boe...
4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...
Are you less safe on a 737 MAX than driving to the airport in a car? Genuinely curious, I’m trying to understand if this whole saga is statistically significant.
For the most reliable info, you can look up your flight number in Flightaware or Flightradar 24 -- those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes.
>those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes. But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it.
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