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Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by cma »

dann0 wrote: post #44
cma wrote: post #14

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No it also hurts small developers that need funding. Publishers and investors work on a hit model, giving advances to lots of small projects in the hopes that they have a hit. If all hits at taxed at 30%, then the available funding for everyone goes down. If the government added an additional 50% tax on books that sold over a million copies, it would affect funding for many more authors than the ones with books over…

Luckily, small developers are unlikely to reach the $1m pa to qualify for the 30% fee. They’ll be subject to 15%.

Reread, I wrote about small developers getting way less funding, because the successful ones that grow into big companies fund the rest of the investors' portfolios, similar to all other publishing.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by Terretta »

hamandcheese wrote: post #48
Terretta wrote: post #27

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And, shops with no monopoly and less customer loyalty are charging by and large the same percentage. For that matter, even supermarkets charge for shelf positioning.

Yea, but your choice of neighborhood doesn't lock you in to only being allowed to shop in a single supermarket.

In a lot of neighborhoods that's exactly what it does.

Also, you can shop for iOS apps in other places, like https://setapp.com/.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by 1123581321 »

hightrix wrote: post #26
1123581321 wrote: post #21

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I think you're misreading. They are being rejected because the account requires a login to a service that isn't sold via IAP, not because they failed to provide a demo login to reviewers. There's no way they haven't been providing demo logins for Basecamp all these years. As for review turnaround times, it's been quite awhile since multiple weeks without a response has been normal. In a normal app store submission pr…

> They are being rejected because the account requires a login to a service that isn't sold via IAP I'm extremely skeptical of this claim. I have apps in the app store that behave exactly as you've described and Apple has not rejected any of our submissions. One app uses a third party login, one uses a first party login. One allows for registration within the app, the other requires registration outside of the app. >…

Yes, there are apps that sell something from the web and hide it behind a login in their app, and that's the whole functionality. I don't think that's in dispute. There are screenshots of other examples in the dhh article (maybe one is from your company's app.)

If you are saying because such apps exist, Hey can't have been rejected for doing the same thing as those apps do...c'mon, you're an experienced iOS developer, right? :)

Why assume that another developer's experiences are not legitimate when they have a long tenure and multiple apps in the store?

And why mock working 19 days ahead when your guidance is only 11 days longer and your worst case was five days shorter? I could see it if you thought that they should submit extra early because they've been targeted by Apple in the past, but you don't believe that they have been.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by wutwutwat »

meibo wrote: post #13
cma wrote: post #12

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That statement seems like it would legally be extortion. I guess by only saying never helps and not that it hurts, it isn't?

> That statement seems like it would legally be extortion. Like their entire App Store business?

While I see what you’re trying to say here, the App Store is not extortion. You don’t have to build an app for their platform. If you do, you do so knowing beforehand that the app requires approval to be listed on their App Store, and that such approval is not guaranteed or owed just because you think it is. You’re also free to distribute the app privately the way many enterprises do, and how services like TestFlight work. You can use web technologies and bypass any App Store, revenue cut, or approval process. Every step of the way no matter which way you go, you’re making an informed choice, willingly. Choosing to go down the App Store path, regardless of if side loading is available or not, is not extortion. Nobody forced you to build an app for a platform that requires approval and has a long history of denying apps. I don’t understand the attitude everyone has where they feel entitled to shit just because it’s something they want. Private company. Closed platform. Walled garden. Approval process. This isn’t a democracy and never was. Why do you think you can will something you don’t own or have any decision making powers at into something it never claimed to be and never was? Fix capitalism, or change our culture not to revolve around greed and maximizing profits, and the shit Apple does won’t happen. If there is a way to make more money, walled gardens to extract more money will always exist.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by marklubi »

k310 wrote: post #46

Apple rejected our stand-alone free companion app “because it doesn’t do anything”. That is because users are required to login with an existing account to use the functionality. This is a ridiculous charge. The App Store is filled with high-profile applications that require an existing service account and simply presents a login screen when first launched. Here are just four: Yes, there are lots of apps that do abso…

> Yes, there are lots of apps that do absolutely nothing until you log in.

Having had my own app in the store for > 13 years, and shipping hundreds of other updates for various apps (if you follow any major sports, you likely have some of my code on your phone), Apple provides developers with an option to provide reviewers with details about how to use a test account or another way to access services.

Further, you can ship for approval well ahead of release, and schedule when it goes public in the store. You can even update it before that scheduled release and ship the more refined version on the originally scheduled date.

Sending it off to Apple in the week leading up to Christmas is amateur hour. Anyone that’s been in the app industry knows that Apple (corporate, not stores) basically shuts down the entire week leading up to the holiday.

This is pithy complaining by DHH.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

wutwutwat wrote: post #54
meibo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That statement seems like it would legally be extortion. Like their entire App Store business?

While I see what you’re trying to say here, the App Store is not extortion. You don’t have to build an app for their platform. If you do, you do so knowing beforehand that the app requires approval to be listed on their App Store, and that such approval is not guaranteed or owed just because you think it is. You’re also free to distribute the app privately the way many enterprises do, and how services like TestFlight…

How do I use PWA with BLE on iOS? I can't unless I will use App Store and native application. So I have no choice but to use App Store.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by meibo »

wutwutwat wrote: post #54
meibo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That statement seems like it would legally be extortion. Like their entire App Store business?

While I see what you’re trying to say here, the App Store is not extortion. You don’t have to build an app for their platform. If you do, you do so knowing beforehand that the app requires approval to be listed on their App Store, and that such approval is not guaranteed or owed just because you think it is. You’re also free to distribute the app privately the way many enterprises do, and how services like TestFlight…

In my opinion, all of this falls apart once you consider that Apple has sabotaged the mobile web as an application platform basically since the inception of the iPhone. You actually just don't have a choice if you want to reach that audience, in a lot of cases. Heck, we only now just got Web Push which sort of kinda works sometimes on mobile Safari at the moment.

I also disagree that every organization in a capitalist society has to be inherently evil, but that might be more of a fundamental discussion ;)

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by mediumsmart »

meibo wrote: post #58
wutwutwat wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I see what you’re trying to say here, the App Store is not extortion. You don’t have to build an app for their platform. If you do, you do so knowing beforehand that the app requires approval to be listed on their App Store, and that such approval is not guaranteed or owed just because you think it is. You’re also free to distribute the app privately the way many enterprises do, and how services like TestFlight…

In my opinion, all of this falls apart once you consider that Apple has sabotaged the mobile web as an application platform basically since the inception of the iPhone. You actually just don't have a choice if you want to reach that audience, in a lot of cases. Heck, we only now just got Web Push which sort of kinda works sometimes on mobile Safari at the moment. I also disagree that every organization in a capitalis…

Apple has sabotaged the mobile web as an application platform basically since the inception of the iPhone.

There was a mobile web before the iPhone?

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